Irritating Debate

Buddhist Yogini: Then why did you just talk about evolution, if you're not interested in theories? You seemed to lose interest at the exact point where I pointed out your flawed understanding.
LoriCanada16: Buddhist and perhpas you should take your own advice
Maple1958: LOL Malkah
A_Masterpiece: lol linda
Maple1958: That is funny
A_Masterpiece: u r a hoot girl
Buddhist Yogini: Which theory am I trying to deride, Lori?
LoriCanada16: Budhhist I am not here to convince you of anything
Luther007: Pax Christi...
Buddhist Yogini: Of course not, I'm just wondering why your interest wanes when rebuttals increase.
skyliner727: Luther!!
lillybet65: greetings luther
trees171: Psa 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Luther007: lol
Maple1958: Luther Come on
LoriCanada16: Buddhist it waned long before that
Maple1958: Now you got a buddhist to talk to
Maple1958: Trees Hugs
Eph411_all_5_4 today: thats the point..evolution is flawed a bag full of holes
skyliner727: Lets Get It On!!!
Maple1958: LOL malkah
Maple1958: Let's get it on
Maple1958: We got Luther here now
Buddhist Yogini: Lori, if you say so.
Maple1958: LOL Malk
trees171: HIII MAPLE
Buddhist Yogini: Eph, of course not. It makes perfect sense really.
skyliner727: lol
trees171: LOL MALKAH
Eph411_all_5_4 today: what sence
Maple1958: You have NO rebuttals buddhist
Vic George 2K6: I'm going to take off
Malkah: trrrrrrrrreeessssssssss
Vic George 2K6: Talk to you folks later
Maple1958: Blessings Vic
Vic George 2K6: Be careful
Eph411_all_5_4 today: theres no sence in evolution
Buddhist Yogini: Maple, I've given several so far. :
lillybet65: budhists are interesting'
Buddhist Yogini: Eph, you mean sense? There's lots.
Luther007: buddhist>what have you rebutted?
trees171: HIIIII MALKAH
LoriCanada16: Budhhist the only thing I want to say is..Jesus died so you could live..thats all I need to say
Eph411_all_5_4 today: actually is quite the xcrazy theory evolution
Maple1958: buddha was Jewish??
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, the points made on cosmogenesis, on scripture consistution as evidence, the watch in a box analogy, etc. etc. Scroll up for a more comprehensive list.
Maple1958: Oy Vey
LoriCanada16: Malkah really?
Maple1958: He just got here Buddhist
Eph411_all_5_4 today: that everything thats made came from millions of years process...crazy
Maple1958: He cannot scroll up
Maple1958:
Maple1958: Hi lisse
Maple1958: Hiya Adrian
Buddhist Yogini: Well there's a main summary of points, Luther.
xpert1_7: Buddha Jewish???/ He was born in India
Maple1958: That is what he believes yes
xpert1_7: yeah
Maple1958: OOPS we lost ya luth
Luther007: crap, I dropped the mic
Buddhist Yogini: Eph, I don't think it's crazy at all. It's very scientific, and goes on very rational principles.
J7X70: Hi Maple
Narowroad: hello adrian
Maple1958: ya you did luth
LoriCanada16: Luther you said crap lol
researcher_18: G'NITE EVERYONE
LoriCanada16: lol
A_Masterpiece: LUTHER!
researcher_18: GOD BLESS YOU
Buddhist Yogini: Good night researcher.
A_Masterpiece: nauty
Eph411_all_5_4 today: what rational is there in evolution?
skyliner727: This is a No Crap Room!
xpert1_7: His life does NOT sppeak of any Jewish background
xpert1_7: NO Malkah
LoriCanada16: <--like Luther..he says crap and doesnt care lol
Buddhist Yogini: Eph, scientific principles, genetics, biochemistry, etc.
xpert1_7: He was a Prince
Malkah: the writings yes
Eph411_all_5_4 today: which none has proven for evolution Buddhist
J7X70: Narow
LoriCanada16: Lutehr hey..the watch thing was mine lol
Maple1958: How about the bricks and the explosives analogy Luth
Maple1958: LOL Lori
trees171: Pro 18:2 A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself.
Narowroad: lol
Buddhist Yogini: Eph, you're saying genetics isn't proven?
LoriCanada16: Budhist you met your match now lol
Luther007: neo-darwinian synthesis
Buddhist Yogini: Lori, who's my match?
Eph411_all_5_4 today: genetics doesnt prove evoltion
LoriCanada16: Luther is
lillybet65: evolution makes no sense to me at all
Luther007: things change over time
Maple1958: Your match is on the mic Buddhist
Luther007: do ALL things change over time
Buddhist Yogini: Lori, I haven't seen him say anything.
Luther007: gradulaism and naturalism
joe 252: Lori...Hugs from BC
LoriCanada16: Buddhist he is on the mic talking
Buddhist Yogini: I don't hear anyone on the mic. I have my speakers off.
Luther007: gradualism
Maple1958: Turn them on Buddhist
LoriCanada16: Buddhist well thats dumb lol
LoriCanada16: hi Joe...hugs
Maple1958: He can't speak to you if you have him muted
lillybet65: < thinks the room is a bit too hi brow for me at this time
A_Masterpiece: luther said 'turn on your speekers'
Maple1958: lilly naaaaaaa
Buddhist Yogini: It's not dumb, I have people sleeping who don't want to be woken up by voices. It's called 'polite'.
trees171: Pro 18:2 A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself.
A_Masterpiece: lol
Eph411_all_5_4 today: carbon dating doesnt prove evolution..no scientific research ever has proven evolution
Narowroad: lol whats hi brow?
LoriCanada16: lilly only bhuddist and luther..the rest of us are low brow lol
whisperinthewind_1: hi ya narow
lillybet65: < low brow
lillybet65: lol
Greg1958: maen, Eph!
joe 252: Maple other night I went to a Newfie night
Maple1958: Low Brow and glad to be
Narowroad: hey whisperin
Buddhist Yogini: Eph, you should look at genetic recombination studies, and also the new work on introgenic regions of the DNA. It pretty much proves evolution.
Maple1958: joe did you enjoy it?
LoriCanada16: Buddhist well ya cant hear what he is saying with them off
whisperinthewind_1: <<< no brow and not to happy
Luther007: amobea to man - what guaruntees us that all things have had this sort of change
Maple1958: Saridad Shalom
whisperinthewind_1: lol
lillybet65: simple is good//.....my philopsophy
Maple1958: LOL Whisp but you got a mean fist
whisperinthewind_1: lol
Luther007: amobea to cat
Buddhist Yogini: Lori, he'll have to type.
joe 252: it was a wow had a down home band
Saridad1: Shalom maple
lillybet65: philosophy?
lillybet65: lol
Luther007: fox - bear
Maple1958: How do we know there is one slow gradual process buddhist
Luther007: horse - whale
Eph411_all_5_4 today: Buddhist genetics doesnt prove evolution..nor does DNA
Buddhist Yogini: Maple, which one slow gradual process?
LoriCanada16: Buddhist I dont think he can lol
Malkah: I LOVE MY CATS
lillybet65: the thing is i dont see any new creAtures in the making?
Buddhist Yogini: Eph, do you know what introgenic regions of the DNA helix are?
Maple1958: How can we know God did not intervene in the process of evolution
Malkah: LEAVE THEM ALONE
Malkah: NO CATS
Malkah: I LOVE MY CATS
Malkah:
Maple1958: MEOOOOWWWWWW Malk
lillybet65: where are the new species?
joe 252: Maple I won door prize guess what
Luther007: maple>good question
trees171:
Buddhist Yogini: Maple, because evolution works on adaptation, not overhead manipulation.
Maple1958: ARF???
joe 252: Malkah Hello
Luther007: buddhist>what guaruntees do you have of gradualism?
Eph411_all_5_4 today: yes Buddhist and none prove evolution, its all diddly squat nonsence
lillybet65: no arfs please..kitty here
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, define 'gradualism'.
LoriCanada16: joe what did you win?
Maple1958: Buddhist and where is your proof overhead manipulation did not occur at some point in the process
Buddhist Yogini: Eph, can you tell me what they are then, and how they don't prove evolution?
Maple1958: Hi Greg
Luther007: buddhist>Im not speaking of the gould dawkins controversy
lillybet65: my cat is grounded... he went across the street yesterday
skyliner727: April 6th = KaBoom Iran
Malkah: 1
Maple1958: yes joe
Greg1958: hi
Malkah: yes
lillybet65: yes joe
LoriCanada16: yes
Paulll50: 1
Maple1958: Hi Call me Free
Maple1958: Ohhhhhhh
Call me Free: hi all
LoriCanada16: Call hi
Buddhist Yogini: Maple, because there's an absence of any evidence. In science, you don't believe everything until there's no proof against it. Otherwise you'd believe in Santa and the Easter Bunny.
Maple1958: Did ya?
LoriCanada16: joe what?
Maple1958: LOL
Maple1958: They are cute
Saridad1: lol
trees171: Pro 23:9 Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words.
Maple1958: HAHA yes
Buddhist Yogini: You believe things when evidence appears. It works that way round, it's more logical.
Maple1958: Anyone can play an ugly stick
Luther007: Im speaking of the gradual process assumed by evolutionary theory (another way of syaing this would be, how do we know that naturalism is the rule of thumb for all variation of species)?
LoriCanada16: whats an ugly stick?
Maple1958: and spoons
Maple1958: What was the band's name
Eph411_all_5_4 today: Buddhist, you act like a monkey, however, thats not were your genes are buddy
Greg1958: since we are only days away from the celebration of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, you might like to read about (and see pics) of the wonderful miracle that happens each year in the tomb of Christ
J7X70: fishing pole
lillybet65: many times the "evidence " of science is in constant flux
Greg1958: it is called the Miracle of Holy Fire
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Greg1958: you can google it
Maple1958: Lori it is a stick with all sorts of gadgets on it that you that make a noise
Greg1958: or go to holyfire
Greg1958: org
Maple1958: You hit it off the floor to the beat of the music
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, who says evolution is gradual? It may have different paces induced by different environmental conditions. Who told you it was continually gradual?
LoriCanada16: Maple ohhh ok...I know what that is
lillybet65: God never changes i like that about God
Buddhist Yogini: Eph, there's no need to use name-calling because you couldn't answer my question.
LoriCanada16: I like the rain sticks
Greg1958: this amazing miracle has been going on at least since the 4th century -- maybe even all the way back to AD34!
Luther007: buddhist>like I said Im not talking about the theory of punctuated equillibrae, but of the philosophical gradualism
joe 252: can I show it on Cam maple
Maple1958: The Ugly stick is a traditional Newfoundland musical instrument fashioned out of household and tool shed items, typically a mop handle with bottle caps, tin cans, small bells and other noise makers. The instrument is played with a drum stick and has a distinctive sound.
Saridad1: Joe, were they trying to tell you something by giving you the ugly stick?
Greg1958: the MIRACLE OF HOLY FIRE -- it occurs annually in the tomb of Jesus
trees171: Pro 24:7 Wisdom is too high for a fool: he openeth not his mouth in the gate.
LoriCanada16: Maple cool
Saridad1: lol
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, there's nothing philosophical about evolution, and 'gradualism' has nothing to do with it. Which author are saying suggests otherwise? Where are you getting your information on evolution, to relate it with 'philosophical gradualism'?
Greg1958: it is amazing and brings glory to God!
Maple1958: They were trying to NEWFIE ize ya joe
Luther007: buddhist>the question is, if things change via natural selection (and they obviously do) how do we know that all things change by natural selection?
Maple1958: Joe you got a cam?
LoriCanada16: Maple my daughter is going to Cape Breton this summer
Maple1958: yes
Maple1958: Go ahead joe
Malkah: yes joe
Maple1958: Oh they have alot of the same traditions and music as we so Lori
Maple1958: do not so
LoriCanada16: Maple yup
Luther007: buddhist>the asusmption of a gradual process, without outside interruption, is philosophical gradualism, but if you prefer the term naturalism (its more well known) that works as well
LoriCanada16: oh wow Joe
Maple1958: Joe play the ugly stick on the mic
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, we don't know that all things change by natural selection. Some things change because of human manipulation, an example being the horse and certain varieties of wheat which have undergone deliberate human-based polyploidy.
Luther007: how do we know (empirically) that only the natural world exists, and that there cannot be intrusion from a God or gods?
Saridad1: Joe that was nice
Greg1958: THE MIRACLE OF HOLY FIRE is well-known to millions and millions of believers in the world -- but, unfortunately, most north americans have never heard of it
Luther007: buddhist>I think you are missing the point
Luther007: yes there is sexual selection
Maple1958: See all the little gadgets on it Lori for making sounds
Luther007: yes there is artifical selection
Saridad1: i had never seen one
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, you're making the assumption that a process is gradual without outside interruption. That's clearly not the case. Why would you assume that?
LoriCanada16: Maple yup
Luther007: but thats not the point
Greg1958: but it is a wonderful miracle of God
Maple1958: Hi SILENCE
lillybet65: explain it greg?
Maple1958: I saw it joe
LoriCanada16: I saw it Joe
Malkah: yes Joe thanks
IN_THE_SILENCE: Hi Maple
Luther007: buddhist>by outisde I mean "of the natural order"
Saridad1: yes I did
LoriCanada16: joe play it for us
Maple1958: Legally WB
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, you're going into metaphysics and epistemology, straying from the subject of evolution.
Saridad1: it was nice
lillybet65: holy fire?
Maple1958: joe play it when the music is playing
Luther007: buddhist>you need sound
Greg1958: lillybet -- it is difficult to explain in text -- it would be better if you went to a web site
Greg1958: there are several
Greg1958: i like
Greg1958: holyfire
Greg1958: dot
Greg1958: org
J7X70: sell it on ebay
Buddhist Yogini: It doesn't matter what you mean by natural order or 'outside', because you made an assumption that things are gradual without said interference (divine or otherwise).
Legally-Blonde_20: maple, ty, having computer problems
lillybet65: will do
Greg1958: yw, lillybet
Buddhist Yogini: Moreover, you haven't defined 'natural' whatsoever.
Greg1958: it will absolutely amaze you!
Luther007: buddhist>evolutionary theory (and science in general) asusmes a sort of Humean epistemology and then applies this to evolutionary theory
Luther007: which is the issue
lillybet65: sounds interesting
Luther007: although rarely is it discussed by either side
legomifriginhalo: anyone ever hear of a piomens bible aka pastors bible?
Saridad1: i would have never known
Greg1958: it is
lillybet65: newfie dogs are great ..very intelligent
Greg1958: first time i read about it i was blown away
Luther007: buddhist>there is no empirical reason why God cannot "create" at a certain time, and it would be indistinguishable from a totally materialistic and naturalistic process
Buddhist Yogini: Science isn't really about a Humean epistemology - it's more aligned with Karl Popper's epistemology. Hume's epistemology criticises science, by saying that we cannot observe a cause or necessitation. Science is based on predictions of cause and effect, which Hume rallied against in his texts.
LoriCanada16: Greg I am looking
Greg1958: ok, great
Luther007: buddhist>he doesnt rail against causes and effects, but of ultimate causes and effects, he talks about constant corollation, I think you may have misread hume
Buddhist Yogini: Empiricism doesn't grant reasons, it only preaches that we learn from observation and our senses. Empiricism is diametrically opposed to any divine notion because we cannot observe God with our senses. The people who have espoused a doctrine of divinity are the rationalists and the sceptics.
Luther007: he says we cannot konw the "cause" but only that two things happen in succession
LoriCanada16: brb
Saridad1: joe, can you play it?
Greg1958: that particular web site -- holyfire dot org
Buddhist Yogini: I didn't misread Hume at all, he didn't contribute anything significant to scientific thought, he only contributed to hyperbolic empiricism in the field of philosophy. He argued that merely because when A happened B also happened, that there was no necessary causation between the two, since it cannot be observed.
joe 252: SSarida I am trying lol
joe 252: oops
Greg1958: has an explanation, witnesses, photos, video, history, ect
Greg1958: and in many languages
Luther007: buddhist>he ndoesnt deride the concept of cause, just the assigning of it to various unknown mechs. (such as liebnitz and berkeley did)
Saridad1: could we hear what it sounds like?
Buddhist Yogini: Hume, empiricism and other doctrines of philosophy really have nothing whatsoever to do with the theory of evolution. What you have assumed prior is that there is 'gradual' evolution and 'gradual' natural selection in the absence of interference, which is a poor assumption to make; it is wholly unfounded.
Legally-Blonde_20: maple, is there sound
joe 252: yes
Luther007: and modern science (including popper) are basically arguing off his premises (and those of John Locke)
Buddhist Yogini: I didn't say that Hume derided the concept of a cause at any point. I said that he criticised people using logic in the realms of inference and deduction rather than a more determined form of philosophical enquiry. He was a strict empiricist, and science does not follow his method.
Greg1958: is anyone typing?
lillybet65: wow! that web site concerning holy fire was fasinateing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Greg1958: i know, lilly
lillybet65: fantastic
Saridad1: yes greg
Greg1958: it blew me away when i first read aobut it
Luther007: buddhist>sure they do, you just exited out the possibility of a God, as part and parcle of empiricism which is the philosophical underpinning of science, this is fine so long as you do simple observation, but when you extrapolate history from this general deductive principle, you have made an unfair assumption
lillybet65: i have never heard of that
Greg1958: much of the world knows about it, lilly
Greg1958: in fact, it is televised in ukraine and russia
lillybet65: i feel left out..why havent i heard of this b fore?
joe 252: No sound
Greg1958: but north americans, as a whole, don't know about it
lillybet65: wonder wy?
lillybet65: why
Luther007: I believe you said "Hume's epistemology criticises science, by saying that we cannot observe a cause or necessitation".
Luther007: this is a misread of hume
fuzzy wuzzy waz a bear: lol
lillybet65: luther is too hi brow for me'
lillybet65: same here
Buddhist Yogini: What I have stressed is that God has nothing whatsoever to do with evolution. Nor can anyone prove that God has a role in evolution. God has nothing to do with empiricism, nor does God have anything to do with science. The philosophical underpinning of science is based on testing observation and hypotheses.
Greg1958: probably because it is connected to the Orthodox Church -- while other Christians are there, the fire only comes when an Orthodox Archbishop or Patriarch enters the tomb
Luther007: hume left open the ability to have cause and effect, just not to know ultimately what the cause and effect mechanism was
lillybet65: i must read more about this holy fire
legomifriginhalo: so no one knows what a piomen bible is?
Greg1958: it is amazing
Buddhist Yogini: That is not a misreading of Hume, that is exactly how Hume's philosophy applies to the scientific mode of thought.
Greg1958: no doubt
Greg1958: and brings glory to the Lord!
Luther007: buddhist>another way of saying it ..."is your empiricism, and empirically verified principle?"
Greg1958: it is my dream to be there one year for that wonderful event
Luther007: an*
Luther007: pardon
fuzzy wuzzy waz a bear: hey trees
lillybet65: i would love to see it also greg
Greg1958: when i retire -- many years from now -- i want to go!
Buddhist Yogini: One cannot prove God empirically, it bars God from the realm of empirical understanding, and leaves him in the corner of sceptics, rationalists and mystics.
trees171: hiii fuzzyy
Buddhist Yogini: God has no room in science. Nor in evolution.
Luther007: Is your empirical assumption in science an empirically verifiable assumption?"
Maple1958: Hey lamp
Greg1958: i have never heard this much silence from this room
Greg1958: wow!
lillybet65: i wish they ould film it.. maybe make a tv documentary
lillybet65: would
Burning Lamp: h miss maqp-le
trees171: buddist you still rambling
Burning Lamp: oops
Greg1958: there is some video on the site, lilly
Luther007: buddhist>is it?
Burning Lamp: miss maple
lillybet65: yes greg
Greg1958: did you go to the holyfire dot org site, lilly?
lillybet65: yes
lillybet65: i wish everyone could see it
Luther007: one cannot prove God empirically (maybe so) but can one prove the assumption of empiricism empirically?
Greg1958: russia and ukraine televise it live each year, lilly
Saridad1: Grey, can you post it?
Greg1958: i wish it would be televised here!
Maple1958: LOL joe
Buddhist Yogini: When people try to include God in evolution it is because they are trying to accommodate their psychological need for a praetor-human intelligence in the grand scheme of things. Logically, and true to the original theory, there is no place for a divine agency in evolutionist thought.
lillybet65: we need to see it here in america
Luther007: buddhist>you are being non-responsive
fuzzy wuzzy waz a bear: im noisy... but its only 8:30am
lillybet65: america needs this
Maple1958: You just hit it off the floor to the beat of the music
Luther007: buddhist>do you mind answering my question
Luther007: Luther007: one cannot prove God empirically (maybe so) but can one prove the assumption of empiricism empirically?
apostleofhislove3: lol
Buddhist Yogini: I'm being perfectly responsive. One cannot prove God empirically, there is no assumption made in empiricism except that our senses are recording information from the outside reality.
Maple1958: Hey fuzzy wuzzy
lillybet65: so much of trying to squelch our faith
fuzzy wuzzy waz a bear: Gday maple
benyonah1_1: there are ugly sticks for fishing, and ugly sticks that people have been beaten MERCILESSLY with
Buddhist Yogini: We can show that we record reality empirically, through investigations upon the senses.
Burning Lamp: was that a fancy way saasking boy boy to dance maple
Maple1958: G'Day Fuzzy Bear
whisperinthewind_1: oh I play the ugly stick when I smack fish dead
Saridad1: lol Ben
fuzzy wuzzy waz a bear: hows life maple?
Luther007: buddhist>the assumption is that empiricism is a valid means for building epistemology
Maple1958: Good here fuzzy if only it would warm up
Luther007: yet you have no empirical verification for that assumption
Maple1958: How is life for you fuzzy
Greg1958: from the web site holy fire dot org:
Burning Lamp: lol my tying i must be tired
trees171: luther havent you noticed,,, budhhist is only interested in spouting his foolishness
Greg1958: I enter the tomb and kneel in holy fear in front of the place where Christ lay after His death and where He rose again from the dead... (narrates Orthodox Patriarch Diodor - ed.). . . .
fuzzy wuzzy waz a bear: lol about the same... i neeeeed warmth
Legally-Blonde_20: empericism = search for knowledge by observation and experiment; a disregarding of scientific methods and relying solely on experience
Maple1958: Not a thing joe
Greg1958: I find my way through the darkness towards the inner chamber in which I fall on my knees. . . .
fuzzy wuzzy waz a bear: its autumn here... and its cold... brrrr
Luther007: can you devise a test showing that one should prefer "inductive reasoning" over deductive
Luther007: is there a logical argument for it?
Luther007: G.E. Moore
Luther007: Russel?
Greg1958: Here I say certain prayers that have been handed down to us through the centuries and, having said them, I wait. . . .
Luther007: etc...
Buddhist Yogini: Of course there is a validation of it. Empiricism has been used successfully in science and society for centuries, it is the basis of science and we see results from it. Results could not be garnered from misinformation to predictable patterns.
Greg1958: Sometimes I may wait a few minutes, but normally the miracle happens immediately after I have said the prayers. . . .
lillybet65: he is saying what the web site hd
Luther007: buddhist>thats not an empirical verification for the principle
lillybet65: had
Maple1958: Ohhhhhhhhhhhh
Maple1958: Hey Beta
Greg1958: From the core of the very stone on which Jesus lay an indefinable light pours forth. . . .
whisperinthewind_1: wb beta
whisperinthewind_1: wb jessica
Buddhist Yogini: It's a question of utility - ultimately. Deductive reasoning is not availabe in a world of the senses under all circumstances. Deductive reasoning can only be performed in linguistic and mathematical exercises.
Maple1958: hi Jessica
JessicaZ777: ty
Greg1958: It usually has a blue tint, but the colour may change and take many different hues. . . .
JessicaZ777: hi
lillybet65: i love the lords prayer and others that have been handed down through the centuries
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, I think it's a very good empirical verification for the principle/.
Maple1958: The Word of God yes
Greg1958: It cannot be described in human terms. . . .
fuzzy wuzzy waz a bear: i wish God would let me sleep
Maple1958: But not man written prayers from the Greek Orthodox or RCC founders
fuzzy wuzzy waz a bear:
Greg1958: The light rises out of the stone as mist may rise out of a lake — it almost looks as if the stone is covered by a moist cloud, but it is light. . . .
lillybet65: sometimes i am speechless. and a good prayer that is learned is needed
Luther007: this is fine, so long as we are talking about repeatable things, the problem I and most people have with modernistic evolutionary theory, is that it applies materialism to the origens to "things unseen" and there is not reason why this ought to be thought valid...
Greg1958: This light each year behaves differently. Sometimes it covers just the stone, while other times it gives light to the whole sepulchre, so that people who stand outside the tomb and look into it will see it filled with light. . . .
Buddhist Yogini: And so we learn that science has provided the best answers and a more complete of reality than religion.
Betalyn: hi
Saridad1: apostleof, i pray that almost everyday
apostleofhislove3: awesome
Luther007: which is why post-modernism (not modernism) is the end of philosophy
Eph411_all_5_4 today: Luther, 8, Buddhist, 2
Eph411_all_5_4 today:
Greg1958: The light does not burn — I have never had my beard burnt in all the sixteen years I have been Patriarch in Jerusalem and have received the Holy Fire. . . .
apostleofhislove3: no
Luther007: buddhist>science does a great job telling us how to live longer or prepare our food...or make plastics
lillybet65: God hears all prayers
Greg1958: The light is of a different consistency than normal fire that burns in an oil lamp...
Maple1958: Yes
Luther007: this is not the question of origens
Luther007: i
Greg1958: At a certain point the light rises and forms a column in which the fire is of a different nature, so that I am able to light my candles from it. . . .
Burning Lamp: someone is trying dazzel the room with big words....u know in heb. ch 7-10 we learn to stick to bible terminology...not well educated modern day language
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, you can observe evolution in a lab, if you'd care to do it. We can introduce an antibiotic to a strain of microbes and eventually they will (by chance mutation) become resistant to the antibiotic. It even happens in larger organisms such as rats. It's first-hand evidence of evolution.
Saridad1: right, only the Spirit can teach
lillybet65: amazing greg
Luther007: buddhist>thats not the issue
Betalyn: yes lilly bet they put restrictions on that arent real
Greg1958: When I thus have received the flame on my candles, I go out and give the fire first to the Armenian Patriarch and then to the Coptic. Hereafter I give the flame to all people present in the Church."
Luther007: you can observe speciation in the lab
Maple1958: Matthew 6:7
But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Buddhist Yogini: Evolution isn't the issue?
Luther007: you cannot observe one long uninterrupted process
Luther007: in a lab
Maple1958: There is the Scripture
Eph411_all_5_4 today: right Luther
Maple1958: WB Lori
Saridad1: right maple
LoriCanada16: thanks
Greg1958: While the patriarch is inside the chapel kneeling in front of the stone, there is darkness but far from silence outside. One hears a rather loud mumbling, and the atmosphere is very tense. When the Patriarch comes out with the two candles lit and shining brightly in the darkness, a roar of jubilee resounds in the Church.
Luther007: buddhist>you are equivocating between evolution (something changing) and evolutionary theory
Betalyn: i did not mean to raise my hand if it was up
Luther007: thats a logical fallacy
WhyDieLost: wb, Lori
Maple1958: God loves when we are Real with Him
LoriCanada16: thanks Whydie
Betalyn: The Lords Prayer is written
Greg1958: The Holy Light is not only distributed by the Archbishop, but operates also by itself. . . .
Buddhist Yogini: It's not a logical fallacy. The example of bacteria becoming resistant to antibiotics is sourced in all major evolutionary theory textbooks.
Luther007: I can observe things changing
lillybet65: i think one can be very REAL in praying the prayers that have been handed down through the centuries
Luther007: I cannot guaruntee that all changes arose from evolutionary process
lillybet65: but i dont use them all the time of course
Luther007: I must jsut asusme my empiricism
Greg1958: It is emitted from the Holy Sepulchre with a hue completely different from that of natural light. . . .
Burning Lamp: the interaccepotable try active in turn of sceintific probes are logically phesed into space gravities....this sounds like the boota guy
Luther007: buddhist>rofl...what does that have to do with anything
Betalyn: is anyone speaking?
lillybet65: yes bet
Greg1958: It sparkles, it flashes like lightning, it flies like a dove around the tabernacle of the Holy Sepulchre, and lights up the unlit lamps of olive oil hanging in front of it. . . .
Luther007: buddhist>shoot, I buy that whales come from horses
Maple1958: yes Beta
Buddhist Yogini: Of course not all changes arose from the evolutionary process. Some arose because of human engineering and splicing.
Luther007: no issue there
Maple1958: xpert is speaking
trees171: beta yes. i lost sound and text
Betalyn: okkkkkkkkkk
Betalyn: darn
Greg1958: It whirls from one side of the church to the other. It enters some of the chapels inside the church, as for instance the chapel of the Calvery (at a higher level than the Holy Sepulchre) and lights up the little lamps. . . .
Luther007: buddhist>could changes have arisen by God intervening
Buddhist Yogini: Did you just ask what examples of evolution have to do with an evolution discussion?
Luther007: is that possible
Maple1958: Buddhist that does not negate a Creator does it?
lillybet65: greg is telling about the holy fire
Maple1958: dennis you menace howdeeeeee
Greg1958: It lights up also the candles of certain pilgrims. In fact there are some very pious pilgrims who, every time they attended this ceremony, noticed that their candles lit up on their own accord! . . .
Buddhist Yogini: It's about as possible as the Easter bunny intervening in human evolution.
Maple1958: Where is yer hat man
Luther007: why is it not possible
Buddhist Yogini: Do you have any evidence that God intervened at all?
trees171: hiiiiiiii den den
Luther007: that the easter bunny intervened?
LoriCanada16: Buddhist I beleive in the easter bunny
den_lodi_1: Howdy queen of menaces
Luther007: or God
Luther007: why
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den_lodi_1: howdy Trees
whisperinthewind_1: hi den and trees blessings
Greg1958: His divine light also presents some peculiarities: As soon as it appears it has a bluish hue and does not burn. . . .
lillybet65: hi den
Buddhist Yogini: I didn't say it's not possible. I said it's as possible as the Easter Bunny intervening. Read what I wrote properly. Don't make bad assumptions.
Luther007: buddhist>YOu mean "empirical evidence"
Maple1958: Do you have evidence God did not intervene buddhist?
den_lodi_1: thanx howdy whisper
Luther007: so you wont accept any other sort
trees171: hiiii whispers
whisperinthewind_1: yw\
LoriCanada16: Ned
Greg1958: At the first moments of its appearance, if it touches the face, or the mouth, or the hands, it does not burn. . . .
den_lodi_1: iroL
xpert1_7: Watchman Nee great Christian writer
xpert1_7: yes
lillybet65: i consider the teachings o muhammed ..demonic
Luther007: I sould say that Anthony Flew might be able to provide teleological evidence
Buddhist Yogini: Prove that God intervened in evolution in any way you feel is appropriate. I'd like to see your evidence.
Maple1958: Hi Chata
Greg1958: We must also take into consideration that the Holy Light appears only by the invocation of an Orthodox Archbishop.
Luther007: I can provide pre-suppositional evidence...
Maple1958: ((((Malkah))))) WB
Maple1958: True apostle
Malkah: (((Maple)))))))) thanks
Buddhist Yogini: Just provide evidence that God intervened in evolution.
Greg1958: The miracle is not confined to what actually happens inside the little tomb, where the Patriarch prays. . . .
Burning Lamp: well if men came from monkies? dont know...but i met my first love, she was at the zoo swinging in the monky section... i threw her a bana to bribe her out tree
LoriCanada16: apostle long time no see
Luther007: buddhist>empirical evidence?
Maple1958: WB Beta can you hear now?
Buddhist Yogini: Yes.
Luther007: or are other sorts of evidence allowable?
Greg1958: What may be even more significant, is that the blue light is reported to appear and be active outside the tomb. . . .
Betalyn: ys
Eph411_all_5_4 today: lol burning
Buddhist Yogini: Go for empirical evidence first.
Maple1958: Hi yankee
Buddhist Yogini: Then for others.
Luther007: buddhist>the fact that you dont see the circle is amazing...
trees171: BUDDISHT, YOU DONT EXCIST , YOU ARE NOT REAL,
Maple1958: Hi Dawn Lee
Burning Lamp: lol ehp.
Greg1958: Every year many believers claim that this miraculous light ignites candles, which they hold in their hands, of its own initiative. . . .
LoriCanada16: burning figures lol
yankee cowgirl: hi map
Eph411_all_5_4 today: hehehe
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, asking you for any kind of evidence to prove your argument is a circle? If you say so.
Burning Lamp: lol lori
Maple1958: well satan is called the god of this world I guess xpert
Luther007: this is my evidence, my evidence is the TAG argument, in this case...
Greg1958: All in the church wait with candles in the hope that they may ignite spontaneously. . . .
Buddhist Yogini: Let's see the evidence.
Maple1958: Hi god child
Luther007: buddhist>slow down and listen
Eph411_all_5_4 today: your a monkeys uncle
Maple1958: So they call those demons their gods as they serve satan
Greg1958: Often unlit oil lamps catch light by themselves before the eyes of the pilgrims. . . .
Maple1958: LOL Eph
Maple1958: I love that
Burning Lamp: lol ehp. just feelinbg a tad goofy
trees171: LUTHER BUDDHIST ISNT INTERESTED TO LISTEN TO YOU
Maple1958: Well I am not a Monkeys aunt
Luther007: buddhist>I said you assumed empiricism, when I challenge the absolute nature of empiricism you ask for empirical evidence...
Greg1958: The blue flame is seen to move in different places in the Church. . . .
Maple1958: AND my great great granny is not a monkey
Buddhist Yogini: Please don't speak on my behalf, Trees. I can speak for myself.
Greg1958: A number of signed testimonies by pilgrims, whose candles lit spontaneously, attest to the validity of these ignitions. . . .
LoriCanada16: Luthere is too darned smart lol
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, is this your evidence? It doesn't look like evidence.
trees171: RUBBISHS
Luther007: my point is that empiricism is assumed not proven in evolutionary theory (more specifically in the neo-darwinian synthesis)
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, you said you'd give evidence. This isn't evidence.
Greg1958: The person who experiences the miracle from close up by having the fire on the candle or seeing the blue light usually leaves Jerusalem changed, and for everyone having attended the ceremony, there is always a "before and after" the miracle of the Holy Fire in Jerusalem. . . .
Eph411_all_5_4 today: Burning, we need some humor in the presence of these intellectuals..all is vanity saith the monkey.....
Luther007: buddhist>you are being combatative, not responsive
Buddhist Yogini: What happened to your evidence that God had intervened in the evolutionary process?
den_lodi_1: lol eph411
Buddhist Yogini: You're just criticising evolution. Not giving any proofs./
Luther007: buddhist>I have teleological evidence
LoriCanada16: Eph I are smart sometimes ...I are
Greg1958: The first writtenaccount of the Holy Fire (Holy Light) dates from the fourth century, but authors write about events that occurred in the first century. . . .
Eph411_all_5_4 today: hehehe
Buddhist Yogini: It's because you've just changed the subject.
Maple1958: ROFL Eph
Luther007: buddhist>huh?
Burning Lamp: lol...rt.. your not monking around either ehp.
Buddhist Yogini: Then please provide the evidence. I'm all ears. Don't just go ranting on about evolution and empiricism. Give your evidence.
Greg1958: So Ss. John Damascene and Gregory of Nissa narrate how the Apostle Peter saw the Holy Light in the Holy Sepulchre after Christ's resurrection. . . .
Maple1958: Hey buddhist he has TELEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE man what more do ya want
Eph411_all_5_4 today: i is smart too..cept Luther is doin a fine job for me..no need to intervene ...anyone got popcorn?
Betalyn: Greg i dont have a prob with that
Luther007: buddhist>sure, the very fine tuning of the universe seems to show intelligent process
LoriCanada16: Buddhist you think too much
Maple1958: He doesn't have his speakers on Malk
Buddhist Yogini: Maple, to see the evidence would be a good start.
Greg1958: "One can trace the miracle throughout the centuries in the many itineraries of the Holy Land." . . .
Maple1958: He is a Buddhist hindy
Maple1958: Hundu
Saridad1: lol
LoriCanada16: Eph butter on it?
Maple1958: AHHHHHHH Hindu
benyonah1_1: the ONLY way Buddha could have been Jewish is that he could have gotten that HUGE belly at a Chinese buffet........Jews love Chinese buffet
trees171: HOLY HOLY HOLY IS THE LORD . HOLY HOLY HOLY IS THE LORD,
Greg1958: nice to know you don't have a problem with a miracle, bet
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, fine-tuning of the universe (whether true or not, and I'll vote for 'not') has nothing to do with evolutionary theory.
den_lodi_1: would that make him a buddoo?
Burning Lamp: what she say a booty is a booty and yogi is a bear?
apostleofhislove3: malkah ....what are uwaiting 4......come receive your messiah
TangyTuesday: lol a buddhist.hindi is like a bapticostal
lillybet65: miracles happen daily
Betalyn: God turned the pages of my Bible once and that wasn't writen either
Eph411_all_5_4 today: Peanuts Popcorn Candybars..step right up......
Luther007: buddhist>rofl...if it defeats naturalism it has EVERYTHING to do with evolutionary theory
Maple1958: Your opinion Buddhist Hundu
lillybet65: but this holy fire thing is awesome
Maple1958: Hey I mean Hindu
Luther007: if there is a God who can and does intervene in the natural order
LoriCanada16: Birning...not talking about bootys allowed in h ere lol
Luther007: the neo-darwinian synthesis is dead
Burning Lamp: i'll have bag peanuts and a soda
yankee cowgirl: apostle, if i am not mistaken she has 5 or 6 rimes but it didnt take
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, it doesn't show that God intervened in the evolutionary theory. I doubt it in its entirety, but it doesn't show that God intervened in evolution.
A_Masterpiece:
***** Start Whisper
ROFL, i'm DIEIN here!
***** End Whisper
Maple1958: Heyyyyyy Futsyyyyy you are just in time to enter a discussion that is quite intellectual
Betalyn: lillybet some one said Luther taught maryology, rofl
Burning Lamp: rt lori sorry
Betalyn: BUT he taught soul sleep
Luther007: buddhist>but it would certainly show that God could have
Buddhist Yogini: You do realise the difference between a god fine-tuning the universe and a god directly altering the evolution of species, right?
Maple1958: Luth doesn't teach maryology
trees171: MAPLE I CALLED IT FOOLISHS
LoriCanada16: Burning get with the program eh?
Oh_Happy_Day: oh goody goody
Buddhist Yogini: "Could" doesn't mean anything.
Buddhist Yogini: "Could" is worthless.
Betalyn: no people in heaven till the resurrectionb
Buddhist Yogini: I wanted evidence. Why didn't you give it to me?
Eph411_all_5_4 today: thinks Buddhists pit is getting deeper....
Buddhist Yogini: I don't remember asking for possibilities.
Maple1958: That is coz they are skeeered of Truth apostle
LoriCanada16: Buddhist evolintion is a "could have"
Buddhist Yogini: Did I ever ask for a 'could' answer?
Greg1958: once again i would try to turn your attention to the resurrection of the Lord and encourage you to take a look at the MIRACLE OF HOLY FIRE . . .
Betalyn: no one TO PRAT TO
lillybet65: actully i am a lutheran.. and i have read some stuff that said on his death bed ..luther prayed the rosary... dont know if it is fact
Luther007: can evolutionary theory show that EVERY change EVER was down by naturalism?
Betalyn: pray to
Greg1958: which takes place each year in the tomb of Jesus Christ
LoriCanada16: Buddhist evoltion is a "could"
Betalyn: lillybet MANY evidently have it out for him
Eph411_all_5_4 today: a maybe
Luther007: or does it just assume that, because some things change (and the world is without supernatural intervention) all things must have changed
Burning Lamp: i lost my program schedule lori , when i jumped up and waqved hand at ehp. for a soda
Betalyn: lilly i know the catholics fo , they say he repented
yankee cowgirl: malkah ran
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, you're changing the topic. I wanted you to provide evidence that God intervened in evolution. Instead, you said that maybe God fine-tuned the universe, and, therefore (through a major leap with no justification), he *could* have intervened in evolution. Do you honestly call *that* proof?
Luther007: cna you show me that a trilobyte was evolved...
Greg1958: holyfire dot org is an excellent resource for reading about and seeing photos and video of this great miracle of God!
LoriCanada16: Burnng Eph has popcorn
Maple1958: Throughout history, in all cultures of the world, people have been convinced there is a God. Could one say with any sense of confidence that all those people have been mistaken?
yankee cowgirl: she doesnt like truth
lillybet65: i have no problem with the rosay.... to me it is a meditation on the life of christ...
Eph411_all_5_4 today: thank God we dont live on "coulds" or maybes.
Burning Lamp: yum popcorn
Maple1958: Hi evangelist
lillybet65: but others see it differently
Greg1958: THE MIRACLE OF HOLY FIRE -- check it out!
Buddhist Yogini: It's the worst proof I've ever seen. I've seen more evidence of God intervening in evolution from a christmas-cracker.
LoriCanada16: yankee actually she doesnt like being pressed..and I dont blame her
Luther007: buddhist>my "proof" is not empirical, my point is that you assume something which you (1) have not the right to assume and (2) are apparently blind to the assumption of
Betalyn: lilly be that as it may its an evil spirit that attacks him
trees171: HII COOLJAZZ
Luther007: its known as a TAG argument
Maple1958: The complexity of our universe, our solar system and our planet Earth all point to a knowing, deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.
yankee cowgirl: Lori she has said a number of times she is a christian
lillybet65: who bet?
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, don't launch into asking me questions just yet. This was your chance to prove what you were saying. You failed the first time so I'm going to give you another chance.
Betalyn: a religious spirit
Luther007: and its a type of proof
den_lodi_1: Maple, i cant remember the scripture..but the bible suggest all are born with the knowledge of God
Maple1958: den amen it does
LoriCanada16: yankee yes I know...and I beleive she is
Luther007: buddhist>you don't "ditate" a conversation..lol...
yankee cowgirl: Lori then she needs to stay out of rooms where Jesus is preached
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, your proof wasn't proof at all. Period. You didn't prove without uncertainty that God intervened in evolution like you said you would.
benyonah1_1: Romans 1, den
Luther007: if oyu would rather obfuscate the discussion that have it, why are oyu in the room
Greg1958: lilly -- i'm glad you and lori checked out the info about THE MIRACLE OF HOLY FIRE
lillybet65: i was reading greg.. i wasnt reading i think i missed something
den_lodi_1: yeah that's it thanx beny
Luther007: buddhist>all I need is a "could have"
LoriCanada16: yankee oh really?..so unbelievers shouldnt go where Jesus is preached?
Greg1958: it is awe-inspiring, isn't it?
lillybet65: yes greg ..i will learn more on it
Greg1958: great!
TangyTuesday: lol
lillybet65: very interesting
Greg1958: pass it on
Maple1958: The improbability of mere "chance" being the explanation for life's characteristics. Could one look at Mount Rushmore in which the likenesses of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt are carved, and ever believe that it came about by chance?
lillybet65: i will
Buddhist Yogini: You argued without any justification that God had fine-tuned the universe. That alone could be doubted and rebuked. But THEN you went on to say that THIS was proof that God intervened in evolution. When further pressed, you admitted it meant he "could have".
Buddhist Yogini: That really isn't proof.
Maple1958: LOL apostle
Maple1958: Hi AreWeReady
Buddhist Yogini: That's just a superfluous tangent with no relevance whatsoever.
Luther007: If God exists and he does intereven, we cannot assume naturalism in science
den_lodi_1: cocka roaches?..
Burning Lamp: u want see a jahova witness run....just ask them if you could lay hands on them and pray....the'lll hi foot it in hurry
Maple1958: LOL
yankee cowgirl: Lori she doesnt want to know Jesus she just wants attention
Maple1958: Good one
Luther007: buddhist>turn on your sound
LoriCanada16: Burning thats scatter a Baptist too lol
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, you have yet to prove that either God exists or that he intervenes.
Buddhist Yogini: This is where you're failing.
Buddhist Yogini: I'm not turning on my sound, people are sleeping.
Burning Lamp: lol lori
LoriCanada16: yankee you are very wrong about her...I have known her for years...
Luther007: then come back when you can
lillybet65: it is difficult to follow the budhist
Luther007: you nkeep missing things
Buddhist Yogini: So far you have attempted to prove that God intervened in evolution
Buddhist Yogini: but you didn't.
yankee cowgirl: Lori I have too
den_lodi_1: then how did ya hear him say turn up yer mic?
yankee cowgirl: she wants to stay lost
trees171: WB MALKAH
Luther007: buddhist>Im on the mic
Malkah: Is it safe for me to be back?
lillybet65: lol malkah
Buddhist Yogini: You instead said that God fine-tuned the universe (again, with no proof) and used this as a premise to reach the conclusion "God intervened in evolution".
LoriCanada16: yankee are you the Holy Spirit?
lillybet65: yes dear
Maple1958: In all of life we see a reasonable law of cause and effect. Every effect had a cause. When one considers the intricacies of our life and universe, it is reasonable to think that an intelligent, loving Creator provided for everything we need for life. The Bible describes God as the author and sustainer of life.
Buddhist Yogini: It didn't make any sense whatsoever.
Buddhist Yogini: It was a classic non-sequitur.
yankee cowgirl: Malkah Jesus wants you to know Him
LoriCanada16: Malkah probably not
Maple1958: phone brb
A_Masterpiece: Buddhist, if i didn't know better, i'd think u were upset that he didn't prove it to u
Buddhist Yogini: A jump from a pseudo-fact to a value. One which has no connection.
Eph411_all_5_4 today: his typing is waking up his family..sheeesh
Eph411_all_5_4 today: lol
Buddhist Yogini: Hume would've had a field-day.
Buddhist Yogini: Eph, my keyboard is pretty quiet.
Buddhist Yogini: A_Masterpiece, I was hoping that he'd at least provide a coherent argument that I could chew on. But instead I was left disappointed. I thought he'd come up with something better.
LoriCanada16: Malkah I love you...dont sweat it
Buddhist Yogini: I wasn't expecting a non-sequitur, I thought he knew better than that.
Paulll50: John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
lillybet65: God makes sense usually...evolution makes no sense to me
Betalyn: buddist...theres too many miracles in the creation
LoriCanada16: lilly usually lol
Buddhist Yogini: Lily, it's the opposite with me. Different strokes I guess.
yankee cowgirl: kick back and love on the lesbian jew
apostleofhislove3: MALKAH..........YESHUA HAMASHEA LOVES UUUUUUUUUU
lillybet65: yes lori..sometimes God can be very mysterious
A_Masterpiece: yes luther, that's why it's a theory to begin with
LoriCanada16: yankee that is NOT called for
Buddhist Yogini: Betalyn, I don't see any miracles. I see natural occurances.
Oh_Happy_Day: maple, where's that intellectual discussion?
Saridad1: Malkah, i also love you and that is why i must tell you that your messiah has come.
yankee cowgirl: lori sorry you cant deal with truth
trees171: YANKEE HOW DARE YOU
Malkah: Is this pick on Malkah Day
Malkah: I dont need it
LoriCanada16: yankee an you could use a little love and compassion.,.what an awful thing to say
yankee cowgirl: malkah you love it
Buddhist Yogini: I thought it was Tuesday, personally.
yankee cowgirl: and thrive on it
Buddhist Yogini: lol
benyonah1_1: yes, if we do not warn those in danger of perishing, their blood is ON OUR HANDS
Betalyn: theres a sac that collects the blood that runs into the giraffes head when he lowers it to eat
LoriCanada16: Malkah dont pay attention to the idiot
Betalyn: otherwise hed have a steroke
Betalyn: stroke
Malkah: Ok Lori
LoriCanada16: Maple are you here?
Buddhist Yogini: Betalyn, what's the sac called?
Luther007: buddhist>my recommendation is that you set me as a pal
Betalyn: then it lets it out slowly
yankee cowgirl: lori do you have a crush on her?
LoriCanada16: Paull?
Saridad1: Malkah, i would never pick on you but truth is truth.
Luther007: and we have this discussion when you have sound
LoriCanada16: yankee you best watch your mouth
lillybet65: i have no problem with any faith except islam
Paulll50: yes Lori
Luther007: because you have missed large portions of my points
Betalyn: and the thing is they would have died developing it
Luther007: and I may have missed portions of yours
apostleofhislove3: HI LORI
Betalyn: could not have been developed
yankee cowgirl: lori i am shaking in my boots
apostleofhislove3: ARE U MARRIED YET
apostleofhislove3: LOL
LoriCanada16: hi apistle
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, I don't like conversations on sound. They're sloppy, you can't refer or quote what people have said,.
Betalyn: NO CREATION isnt a theory
Buddhist Yogini: I'll only have discussions with you in text.
Betalyn: it can be proved
LoriCanada16: apostel no way lol
Betalyn: 1 no fossils
lillybet65: creation makes perfect sense
LoriCanada16: Paull will you deal with this ignorant woman
Buddhist Yogini: There are no fossils?
Buddhist Yogini: LOL
A_Masterpiece: aiming for a target, so u test it to prove 'theory'
Buddhist Yogini: I saw some at the museum last week.
TangyTuesday: Luther is too smart for his mic
Betalyn: 2 TOO MUCH BY FAR SPECIFICITY
Saridad1: DNA proves creation to me
Burning Lamp: \0/ malkah \0/ moment\0/!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Buddhist Yogini: DNA doesn't prove creation to me.
apostleofhislove3: SHALOM MALKAH
Betalyn: mpiece i knw you aere right evol. is a theory
Betalyn: yes
lillybet65: anyone know how much info is in a single strand of Dna?????
benyonah1_1: at least Luther's first name is not LEX (I hope)
lillybet65: wow
Saridad1: we are all unique
trees171: I RATHER HAVE MALKAH HERE THEN SOME OF THE FRUIT LOOPS WHO ARE ALLOWED IN HER
Luther007: buddhist>the problem is you type and dont read carefully, but thats fine, if you would rather not have the discussion at all we can do that. You have totally misunderstood my argument (I think mainly because you are typing and not reading carefully)
yankee cowgirl: malkah it is about Jesus not you
lillybet65: creation for ya ..by supreme being
Buddhist Yogini: Lilybet, it depends on the species.
lillybet65: thre ya go
Betalyn: hey you know what?
den_lodi_1: amen trees
Luther007: text chat is imprecise
Buddhist Yogini: Humans have about 20-40,000 genes in their DNA sequence.
LoriCanada16: trees me too...Malkah is awesome..she has more of the love of God in her than most
Betalyn: not any snow flakes are alike
Betalyn: BUT a group of friends of mine and myself
den_lodi_1: HEY!!! Let's not get the psycology thing going
trees171: LORI YES AND WISDOM TO
LoriCanada16: yankee you need to deal with your hateful heart
A_Masterpiece: why don't u 2 buddy up to continue another time in a voice room at a mutually agreeable time
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, I think I read very carefully. It's why I could pick out where you hadn't proven something when you said you were going to.
Betalyn: were covered in many many stars of david
Buddhist Yogini: It's why I could see that you claiming that the universe was "fine-tuned" had no bearing whatsoever on God intervening in evolution.
Betalyn: no other snow flake designs
Buddhist Yogini: I read and think very critically. Don't mistake it for misreading.
Luther007: buddhist>you fully misunderstood my argument, and your reconstruction was off
Betalyn: just stars of David
LoriCanada16: yankee you are lucky I dont have a hat
Betalyn: a million of them
Luther007: I didnt assume God's fine tuning, you accepted it as "possible"
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, I think I understood it perfectly. That's why I was able to rebuke it.
Betalyn: snowflakes
trees171: YANKY HAS LEFT
Buddhist Yogini: I said it was as possible as the Easter Bunny.
A_Masterpiece: bbl..................afk
Betalyn: miracles
LoriCanada16: trees good thing
trees171: YES LORI
LoriCanada16: trees what a terribly hateful thing to say
Oh_Happy_Day: FINALLY
Saridad1: there is no two snow flakes alike
benyonah1_1: the Mishkan
Oh_Happy_Day: them darn ninjas
Buddhist Yogini: DNA is a wonderful molecule. I love it.
Betalyn: sari i knowww , but these were
Malkah: yankee cowgirl imed me and asked if I am still a lesbian I didnt answer
trees171: LORI, AND THEY TRYING TO USE JESUS IN THEIR CONVERSATION
LoriCanada16: trees there was nothing of Jesus in that
Betalyn: ruthie and one other friend and i wer waiting for the kids school bus
LoriCanada16: Malkah dont pay attention..she is a rude ignorant woman
Betalyn: they kept saying they are all over you
trees171: NO BUT SHE MENTIONED HIS NAME
Betalyn: it was amazing
Narowroad: lori someone told me she is a he
Narowroad: but ain't my business
LoriCanada16: Narrow could be
den_lodi_1: snow flakes start as itty bitty ice crystals..and form as they fall...dats why they are all different...the crystals grow
Betalyn: they were all the same shape too
LoriCanada16: Burning good stuff
Betalyn: perfect stars of david
Paulll50: yes
Buddhist Yogini: Snow is so pretty.
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Burning Lamp: ty lori
den_lodi_1: yes, snow is pretty
Buddhist Yogini: But winter starts to annoy me after a while.
Buddhist Yogini: I miss the summer.
Betalyn: i said it must be a sign lol
den_lodi_1: cept fer yeller snow...it be ugly
LoriCanada16: Burning everything in the OT feasts and sacrifices and the temple etc are types of the NT church
Betalyn: but i dont know of what lol
Paulll50: wasn't paying attention to the typing
benyonah1_1: watch out where the huskies go
LoriCanada16: Paulll I PMed you
Betalyn: that was 20 yrs ago
den_lodi_1: lol beny
benyonah1_1: don't you eat that yellow snow
Betalyn: give or take a few
Burning Lamp: dont eat yello9 snoiw
Buddhist Yogini: I want to be a summer goddess this year, I'll have the perfect body and the perfect tan. I have a cunning-plan.
Malkah: ben ewwwwwwwwwwwww
LoriCanada16: isnt yellow snow just lemon snow? lol
Saridad1: lol ben, you are gross
Betalyn: lori lol
benyonah1_1: wasn't that a Zappa lyric
LoriCanada16: lol
Oh_Happy_Day: sure it is, lori lolol
LoriCanada16: Malkah you sound sexy lol
den_lodi_1: frank zappa?
LoriCanada16: lol
Buddhist Yogini: I think I'll cheat and use a sun-bed, then serious gym-sessions.
Paulll50: hummm Lori... It shows no pm
LoriCanada16: hussy voice
Betalyn: also kinda potentially inteeresting it was in Germany
Betalyn: i dunno
Luther007: buddhist>(1) Certain evidences (fine tuning) seem to point to the existence of a God (2) The general theory of evolution assumes that for any change in a species the change occured by a non-supernatural occurance (3) But if God exists and can and does intervene in the natural order (from 1) then the assumption in (2) is not necessarily valid (4) Hence for any change that we dont know for a fact changed via a natural process, we can neither assume God or nature, without further evidence...
benyonah1_1: yes, Frank Zappa
Oh_Happy_Day: canadian lemon snow rofl
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Burning Lamp: \0/ malkah mpments \0/
den_lodi_1: hussy????? dont ya mean husky?...lol
LoriCanada16: Happy
Burning Lamp: moments*
Saridad1: lol happy day
Luther007: buddhist>(1) Certain evidences (fine tuning) seem to point to the existence of a God (2) The general theory of evolution assumes that for any change in a species the change occured by a non-supernatural occurance (3) But if God exists and can and does intervene in the natural order (from 1) then the assumption in (2) is not necessarily valid
benyonah1_1: it could be Mountain Dew snow
Luther007: (4) Hence for any change that we dont know for a fact changed via a natural process, we can neither assume God or nature, without further evidence...
LoriCanada16: Ned lol..yes
den_lodi_1: yahoo mt dw
LoriCanada16: typo
den_lodi_1: lol iroL...har har har
LoriCanada16: Ned but it fit lol
den_lodi_1: ha ha ha
Burning Lamp: gee malkah can u leave me alone
Betalyn: ruthie started to pray in tongues ...just like that, snap/
Burning Lamp: i wasdnt picking
Betalyn: oh i dont mean then
LoriCanada16: Paull I PMed you again
Betalyn: previously i think
den_lodi_1: When was the last time Jesus was mentioned?
den_lodi_1: JESUS
den_lodi_1: JESUS
den_lodi_1: JESUS
LoriCanada16: Ned just now
trees171: JESUS
trees171: JESUS
trees171: JESUS
Luther007: that (not this) was my argument - Buddhist Yogini: You instead said that God fine-tuned the universe (again, with no proof) and used this as a premise to reach the conclusion "God intervened in evolution".
den_lodi_1:
trees171: IS LORD
Betalyn: it was a special time ..id told her about it
benyonah1_1: Is THAT allowed in here?
Paulll50: this new beta version is confusing
LoriCanada16: Ned I am off work for SIX days now..wooo hoooo
den_lodi_1: HE HE BENY
Oh_Happy_Day: gotta love those canadian lemons
Luther007: buddhist>did that clarify the discussion?
den_lodi_1: yeee haaa iroL
Betalyn: God can do a lot of things not written
Paulll50: i'm not seeing the pms
LoriCanada16: no alarm clock tomorrow
trees171: LUTHER WHY DONT YOU GO WITH THA BUDDA AND TALK IN PRIVATE
LoriCanada16: Paull sheesh lol
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, 1) I would doubt that there is evidence of any fine-tuning. You have yet to prove that. 2) Correct. 3) Even if were 1 were true, which you've yet to prove it is, you would have no further evidence that this existence and fine-tuning of the universe extends to manipulation of a species' evolution. 4) This alone halts the rest of your points, since it breaks their foundations.
LoriCanada16: Malkah no I am taking a vacation day
Buddhist Yogini: Yes, did my response help clarify mine?
benyonah1_1: I had today and yesterday off
Luther007: buddhist>right, but thats not my point
Saridad1: ben had tue and wed off
Burning Lamp: ok putting malkah on ignore at her request
Betalyn: there are no fossils showing selection
Luther007: Im not saying "I proved God intervened"
Buddhist Yogini: It's not the point that your argument is flawed?
benyonah1_1: yesterday for Passover, today because Saridad had a BIRTHDAY
Luther007: only that "not every change is necessarily natural"
Betalyn: buddist thgink all you want there are no fossils
Buddhist Yogini: But I asked you to prove that God intervened in evolution.
Luther007: buddhist>thats not my argument, sheesh
den_lodi_1: HAPPY BIRTHDAY SARIDAD
Betalyn: no mutations
LoriCanada16: beny its Sara's birthday today?
Saridad1: thanks den
Luther007: buddhist>sorry, you dont get to tell me what I can or cannot argue
Buddhist Yogini: You haven't even proven that all change isn't natural.
benyonah1_1: yes, it is
den_lodi_1: yw
den_lodi_1: Sing it like marilyn malkah
LoriCanada16: SARUDAD happy birthday
Saridad1: oh thanks malkah
Luther007: buddhist>thats special pleding
trees171: HAPPY BIRTHDAY SARIDAD
Betalyn: what changes buddist?
Saridad1: thanks lori
Buddhist Yogini: I can tell you that your argument is flawed, and when I said "prove to me that God intervened in evolution", and you said "okay, but I need to use a TAG argument", was it naive of me to assume you would stick to that?
den_lodi_1: wow i bet Saridad is 39 today
Betalyn: there are no fossils showing mutations
LoriCanada16: Sari have a great day
Buddhist Yogini: It's normal logic. You haven't proven any fine-tuning, and therefore, all the rest of your argument fails.
benyonah1_1: den, HOW did you guess??
benyonah1_1: lol
den_lodi_1: tee hee beny
Betalyn: lol.wasting time with him
Luther007: buddhist>so If I could prove fine tuning
LoriCanada16: I have been 39 for 22 years
Luther007: my argument works
KimALisa: normal logic vs abnormal logic? roflol what a trip
den_lodi_1: rofl iroL
benyonah1_1: I will be 35 next bdszy
benyonah1_1: bday
Luther007: and I believe that you granted it (for sake of argument)
den_lodi_1: yeah beny lol
LoriCanada16: beny you lie lol
Saridad1: im going to be like jack Benny im going to stay 39 the rest of my life.
Buddhist Yogini: If you could prove fine-tuning you're half-way there. If you prove fine-tuning, then you at least have a credible base to build an argument. Without that, you have nothing.
LoriCanada16: Sari good plan
Saridad1: lol Lori
trees171: SARIDAD I HAVE
Betalyn: there are no giraffes with a slightly longer neck, then TAD LONGER , THEN A TAD LONGER THEN A TAD LONGER
Buddhist Yogini: Once you have proven fine-tuning, then you have to prove that this fine-tuner intervened in evolution.
KimALisa: the only thing needing fine tuning is my car you cant question God you silly person
Saridad1: Hi trees
Luther007: buddhist>you said "Buddhist Yogini: It's normal logic. You haven't proven any fine-tuning, and therefore, all the rest of your argument fails."
LoriCanada16: Sari I have been 39 for 22 years
Betalyn: no he came here that way
Luther007: hence, the only issue with my argument, is that the fine tuning was not proven
Luther007: but you said you would assume it
Saridad1: lol Lori, good for you
Betalyn: fine tuning lol
Luther007: even if you voted "no" for its existence
BrainInAVat: Luther, good response
Luther007: existance
Buddhist Yogini: The mere presence of a fine-tuner, a supernatural being, present and at work in the universe does not prove explicit intervention in evolution. You need to realise this. It's a complete non-sequitur.
Buddhist Yogini: It's not the only issue in your argument.
LoriCanada16: are we having scambled eggs?
Buddhist Yogini: It's the major one.
Saridad1: our spirit will always stay young.
KimALisa: we need a fine tuned scrambled egg though
Buddhist Yogini: The first major one.
benyonah1_1: if they practice Yoga, do they also practice Boo Boo?
Buddhist Yogini: Prove that there was a fine-tuner.
Luther007: buddhist>thats not my argument, for the third time
LoriCanada16: dang
Buddhist Yogini: And then do the rest.
Luther007: Im not making a non sequitor
Luther007: what Im doing is eroding the credibility of naturalism
Betalyn: buddist you do not care for evolutuion you care against the true God
LoriCanada16: Luther go back to school...lol
Mattaniah: Hello to all
Betalyn: satans spirit
BrainInAVat: naturalism had credibility?
Buddhist Yogini: Your argument rests on the fact that there is fine-tuning in the universe. You have yet to prove that.
Buddhist Yogini: So, please go ahead and prove it.
LoriCanada16: Bet anti-christ spirit
KimALisa: if you are eroding its time to get more dirt
Buddhist Yogini: Betalyn, sorry?
LoriCanada16: Burnng right
KimALisa: ok is it me or is this the silliest arguement you have heard in a long time
Saridad1: don't make Burning lamp mad he will leave cursing
LoriCanada16: right burning
Luther007: buddhist>to demonstrate fine tuning is probably beyond the scope of a text chat, but Im sure you are aware of the arguments....(just google anthony flew or teleological)
trees171: KIM THERE ARE 2 TRYING TO OUT SMART EACH OTHER, OR SO THEY THINK
Buddhist Yogini: Kim, you're probably used to listening to arguments about what size feet Jesus had, or the correct way to have drool when talking in tongues. So I'm sure it must mean terribly silly to you.
benyonah1_1: I like SODOMITE
benyonah1_1: that sums it up
trees171: HIII PTEACH
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, why is demonstrating fine-tuning beyond the scope of a text-chat? Every major philosopher in history since Plato has managed to put ideas down in writing. Why can't you?
LoriCanada16: Burning preach it
KimALisa: actually Buddhist I leave it to GOd I do know he doesnt need fine tuning his creations are perfect
Buddhist Yogini: Did Descartes need a microphone to be right or wrong?
BrainInAVat: Yogini, don't flatter yourself. There are some on here who know more about philosophical arguments for the existence of God than your Cliff notes understanding.
Luther007: buddhist>rofl...its a text chat
Luther007: its dynamic not static
trees171: LORI IS THERE SOUND??
LoriCanada16: trees yes
Saridad1: yes trees
trees171: OK TY
Buddhist Yogini: BrainInaVat, asking people for evidence is flattering myself? LOL
Luther007: buddhist>not if he had an audience that obeyed the principle of charity
Mattaniah: What so ever is not of Faith is sin....
Luther007: I currently do not
LoriCanada16: Burning you are cute
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, then make a dynamic case for fine-tuning.
BrainInAVat: Yogini, when it's evidence for your strawman, yeah
LoriCanada16: Burning you are right on
BrainInAVat: try asking for evidence for the actual argument presented
Buddhist Yogini: Asking for evidence is a straw-man? Okay.
Mattaniah: Why do you call me Lord Lord and do not the things I say?
Jonknows: HI Jonknows
Jonknows: Hi
Burning Lamp: lori ...trys act cool
BrainInAVat: Yogini, do you have trouble with English?
Buddhist Yogini: I've tried it Brain, and it didn't work. Why don't you give it a try?
trees171: ANY SOUND??
Betalyn: buddist you muyst prove evolution
Jonknows: GBU
Buddhist Yogini: Brain, do you have trouble with basic reasoning?
LoriCanada16: Burning naw..you ARE cool
Betalyn: must
LoriCanada16: is Brain g8ter?
BrainInAVat: How do you conclude that asking for evidence is a strawman or suggested to be stuff?
Betalyn: lori hes a tad different lol
trees171: AHA SOUND
Jonknows: Mushrooms and oniond reducing in a wine/butter/garlic sauce........mmmm.m.m.m
LoriCanada16: Bet yeah..if it was g8ter..he would be on the mic lol
BrainInAVat: Yogini, I can reason, trust me. I don't have to create arguments for others in order to avoid 'reasoning' a response to a credible argument either.
Buddhist Yogini: The first premise in what Luther is saying is that there is a God who fine-tunes the universe. What he says about evolution (and God's intervention) rests on this. It can't exist without it. So what is absurd about asking him to prove his first premise?
LoriCanada16: trees its a miracle..you can hear !!!
BrainInAVat: We call that a logical fallacy.
trees171: LOL
Buddhist Yogini: Brain, you can reason? I guess I'll have to take your word for it.
trees171: ITS PAL LORI
Buddhist Yogini: Because so far you haven't shown any.
LoriCanada16: trees Pal is of the debil
Betalyn: buddist i dont know what he means by fine tuning
Luther007: buddhist>I can post websites, I dont care to launch into what will be in the end an exercise in futility because we are throwing things back and forth at each other. Im am sure that you are aware of the arguments for fine tuning, and you can doubt them...
BrainInAVat: Yogini, again, don't flatter yourself.
benyonah1_1: I am surprised the nic is not brainInAVatican
BrainInAVat: You haven't either.
Buddhist Yogini: Betalyn, I don't think he does either.
Mattaniah: All goats are truly lead by their nature.
trees171: I CANT UNDERSTAND WHY MOCKERS ARE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE LORI
Luther007: but that has to do with your pre-suppositions
pastor_teach: both evolution and buddism are out to lunch without permission
Luther007: which is my argument
Betalyn: let me tell you God said and thats that
LoriCanada16: trees no room leadership at the moment
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, I don't want to read websites which teach your position. I want to hear it from you. You've discussed everything else under the sun until this point. Why is proving the existence of a divine manipulator in the universe so difficult now?
trees171: LORI EVEN BEFORE
Betalyn: hi teach
LoriCanada16: trees yup
pastor_teach: hi Bet
LoriCanada16: Burning right
BrainInAVat: benyonah, may the pope spit on your yamaka
LoriCanada16: pastor heyyyy...
BrainInAVat: oh wait.. I"m not catholic
Buddhist Yogini: Brain, I've shown perfect reasoning. It's why I'm being given the excuse that he can't provide evidence in text. He has to refer me to webpages, or ask for a voice-chat. It doesn't quite cut it.
LoriCanada16: a liberal druggie
DDawlin: hello room
Buddhist Yogini: Hello Dawlin.
LoriCanada16: I hope someone has thier dotter ready
trees171: O ITS THE RECORDED NUT
DDawlin: hello buddhist
BrainInAVat: Yogini, you will have to show me where he offered fine tuning as a premise
benyonah1_1: hey BRAINDEAD, the Pope wears a kippah
KimALisa: oh geeez
LoriCanada16: trees you need your hat
Buddhist Yogini: Brain, sure, wait 5 seconds.
Saridad1: lol Ben
summer_fun:
LoriCanada16: there are no hats in here
trees171: LORI I GAVE IT AWAY MONTHS AGO
summer_fun: paul lori?
LoriCanada16: siummer Paul went to lay down
Buddhist Yogini: Here we are.
LoriCanada16: trees oh..good move
Buddhist Yogini: "Luther007: buddhist>(1) Certain evidences (fine tuning) seem to point to the existence of a God (2) The general theory of evolution assumes that for any change in a species the change occured by a non-supernatural occurance (3) But if God exists and can and does intervene in the natural order (from 1) then the assumption in (2) is not necessarily valid"
summer_fun: oh my...lol
pastor_teach: lol
LoriCanada16: well he can go on as long as he wants now
ann_marie73: oh boy, hes here again
LoriCanada16: ok..whisper got her hat
Luther007: buddhist>the ratio of electrons, expansion rate of the universe, mass of the universe, etc...all of these (and more) are so incredibly accurate that to be off by very very little would make life on earth impossible...fine tuning argues (from this) that the most coherant explanation for these evidences is a fine tuner
ann_marie73: I dont like his names
Buddhist Yogini: When people number their arguments in sequences of statements that follow on from each other, they're often called "premises".
ann_marie73: poor guy
LoriCanada16: thanks whisper
summer_fun: lol..good thing i's got a volume control
whisperinthewind_1: yw
summer_fun: thxs
whisperinthewind_1: couldnt remember the code
Luther007: buddhist>if you remember you gave me fine tuning as a starting premise
benyonah1_1: that was just getting interesting
Betalyn: that was a beautiful red dot
Luther007: then you refused my argument (changing it badly)
Luther007: then you accepted it
LoriCanada16: whisper lol..sometimers disease..sometimes you forget?
Luther007: but doubted fine tuning
whisperinthewind_1: lol
Luther007: which you originally gave me
ann_marie73: oh noooooo
ann_marie73: not again
trees171: THE SAME NUT
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, ratio of electrons, expansion rate of the universe, mass of the universe etc. do not show any divine intervention. Even if existence would be impossible with one of them, that does not lead to the conclusion that there was a divine agency involved.
LoriCanada16: is ther sound now?
whisperinthewind_1: no one is talking
summer_fun: nope
trees171: NO LORI
Betalyn: buddist why are you here?
LoriCanada16: ok..whew
Burning Lamp: sees lori has a week off.... skips over her house...and asks if she wants go fishing, out suppy, and yard sellinbg
Betalyn: i see your view point so go away
trees171: BETA, TO MOCK
LoriCanada16: Burning yesssssss come on over
Luther007: buddhist>it is the most coherant explanation fine tuning points to a fine tuner
Buddhist Yogini: I fail to see how existence would be impossible with the mass of the universe 0.0001g lighter. I also fail to see how existence would be impossible if the expansion rate of the universe was 0.000000001% less.
Burning Lamp: \0/ woo whooo
Luther007: its like winning 50 lotteries on one single day
Betalyn: trees to find God more like, he just doesnt know it
Luther007: maybe its a coincidence
LoriCanada16: Burning NO alarm clock for SIX days
Luther007: but I seriously doubt it
whisperinthewind_1: wb dennnnnnn
Luther007: I would look for fraud
whisperinthewind_1: there was a nut on the loose in here
trees171: BETA HE ISNT INTERESTED
whisperinthewind_1: lol
den_lodi_1: thanx whisper
Luther007: and if no fraud was found
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, you haven't shown fine-tuning. You've shown that electrons occur in certain ratios, and that without that ratio atoms could not exist. You have NOT shown that they were set-up that way. You have also NOT shown that this is because of anything other than the laws of physics.
LoriCanada16: whisper only one?
Luther007: I would assume it was a REALLY good fraud
ann_marie73: later all, going to church
Burning Lamp: \0/ wooo whooo\0/ lori ....now that is a blessing
whisperinthewind_1: okay a few
whisperinthewind_1: lol
Betalyn: well,not yet
Oh_Happy_Day: so would the IRS, luther lolol
whisperinthewind_1: hi nick
Buddhist Yogini: I don't think it's coincidence, I think it's mathematics and physics.
nick_at_nite_1: hello
Luther007: buddhist>laws of physics are descriptive not causative
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den_lodi_1: hi nick
Betalyn: amen luyther
LoriCanada16: Burning its been nuts at work the last 2 months..I really needed this vacation time
Betalyn: luther
Buddhist Yogini: Then God is telling each and every atom to behave the way it does?
trees171: ITS THA NUT
Saridad1: lol
Buddhist Yogini: Or do they behave of their own accord?
LoriCanada16: lol\
pastor_teach: lol
whisperinthewind_1: lol
Betalyn: lol
Luther007: buddhist>not necessarily, no...
summer_fun: lol
den_lodi_1: awwwww i wanted to know what bothers him lol
whisperinthewind_1: its like coloring easter eggs
Buddhist Yogini: Then what proof do you have that they were designed that way?
Betalyn: lol den
trees171: LOL DEN]
LoriCanada16: Ned no you dont lol
Saridad1: good one luther
summer_fun: hey den
den_lodi_1: hiya summer
LoriCanada16: wheres farnk?
trees171: HERE IT IS
Luther007: buddhist>again, its not an empirical proof (its a teleological one) and ive stated it several times
Betalyn: buddist because theres no other answer and noww they made up dark matter lol
LoriCanada16: whisper get your dotter ready
Burning Lamp: o man lori , i just give u credit been putting up with for 2 months, i think thats why i am losing hair all the craziness
trees171: GONE
den_lodi_1: i havent seen Farnk
whisperinthewind_1: lol
Luther007: in this case the most likely explanation of fine tuning is a fine tuner
Buddhist Yogini: You haven't given *any* kind of proof, this isn't about empirical evidence.
Buddhist Yogini: Your argument doesn't make sense.
Betalyn: dark matter holds stars in the same place
Luther007: the weight of the evidence would point to an amazing coincidence
Saridad1: lol den
Betalyn: sure sure
trees171: THE NUT
LoriCanada16: Burning all my clients are crazy too lol
Buddhist Yogini: You've just said "electrons being in a certain ratio show that they were tuned that way", you realise this makes NO sense at all, right?
den_lodi_1: hey baptist, cut down on the fried food
Betalyn: buddist faith in Christ is a gift
Buddhist Yogini: That's like saying "my tree growing in my garden having X amount of leaves shows someone made it that way", it doesn't make sense.
LoriCanada16: go ahead
Betalyn: buddist , hum, maybe you were left out
Saridad1: we were just talking about that Scrip. today
Luther007: buddhist>given the amazing fine tuning of the universe we are left with two possibilities...one (its an amazing coincidence that the laws of physics made the universe so life was possible) or two (some intelligent being tuned it)
Betalyn: buddist orrrr you could ask him
Betalyn: for it
Luther007: buddhist>no its like winning 50 lotteries
Luther007: on one day
Luther007: its either an amazing coincidence
Betalyn: well lets not get too silly here , right?
Luther007: luckiest guy in the universe
Luther007: or you cheated
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, you haven't established the "amazing fine tuning" of the universe. So don't bother going into possibilities. So yet again, you have to prove the central point of your argument.
summer_fun: cya all later
Luther007: without knowing for sure, Ill opt for number two
Buddhist Yogini: Prove it's like winning 50 lotteries on one day.
Buddhist Yogini: Go ahead, prove it.
Betalyn: buddist God did it all
Luther007: buddhist>rofl...its a serious of amazingly small probabilites all occuring simutaniously
Betalyn: its easy
Luther007: thats the same thing as winning a bunch of lotteries
Buddhist Yogini: "A serious"?
Luther007: series
Buddhist Yogini: Do you mean "a series"?
Buddhist Yogini: Can you show me the probabilites on this? Give me statistics.
Betalyn: and by the way, click
LoriCanada16: lol
Luther007: buddhist>of winning 50 lotteries?
Buddhist Yogini: That the arrangement of the universe is comparable to the chances of winning 50 lotteries.
Buddhist Yogini: I want to see how you worked this out.
Buddhist Yogini: Show me.
Luther007: buddhist>do I have to do the math, or can I point you to some one....
Burning Lamp: o amen
Burning Lamp: coruuption
Buddhist Yogini: Show me how you worked out the math.
Luther007: buddhist>special pleding again...
Burning Lamp: yikes
Burning Lamp: lol yea
Buddhist Yogini: I want statistics, statistical methods (chi-squared, t-test, etc.) and results to show how you calculated this.
Luther007: buddhist>I will point you to websites which talk about the probabliities
Luther007: I read them
Luther007: found some accurate
Luther007: some inaccurate
Buddhist Yogini: It's not special pleading, it's asking you for evidence behind your claims.
whisperinthewind_1: hiya underdog
Buddhist Yogini: I don't want websites. I want you to tell me.
underdogelvis: hi
Betalyn: amen
Buddhist Yogini: You made the claim, so you should be able to back it up.
Buddhist Yogini: Is that so much to ask?
Luther007: buddhist>Ill be happy to give the evidence to you...www.
Buddhist Yogini: Don't divert my attention with websites.
Luther007: buddhist>rofl
Buddhist Yogini: No, put it in your own words and tell me here.
den_lodi_1: iroL yeah mean they arent all doing the thorazine shuffle?
Buddhist Yogini: I'm guessing that you can't.
Burning Lamp: good point lori
Buddhist Yogini: And my hunch is probably correct.
Buddhist Yogini: No amount of 'rofl' will cover up this amazing blunder.
Luther007: buddhist>1:1037
Buddhist Yogini: It's as plain as day now.
Luther007: thats 10(37)
Buddhist Yogini: How did you work out 1:10(37)?
Luther007: are you familiar with that number
den_lodi_1: yeah i can imagine....i know when i was in the asylum...they....umm err DOH...nevermind
Buddhist Yogini: I know standard form, yes, so now explain how you arrived at it.
Burning Lamp: rt sisty
Burning Lamp: amaannn
Betalyn: doa? den?
pastor_teach: the more the world gets stupid ..and the uninverse expands Jesus gets closer
Burning Lamp: amen that sisty goo
Betalyn: it wll be soon
Buddhist Yogini: *waits*
den_lodi_1: Everyday that passes is one day sooner the return of Jesus
whisperinthewind_1: hi godlikesp
Betalyn: amen den
godlikesp_3: HI
Luther007: buddhist>I dont have to work out everything, for it to be true (thats your special pleding) im not a mathematician, but mathematicians have worked it out...your argument right now is like me objecting to you using the owrd "explain" because you cant tell me the etymology of it
pastor_teach: den den den .........you speak with forked "tongues" lololol
pastor_teach: white man
Luther007: I can point you to the mathematicians
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, so you can make claims but you can't prove them?
pastor_teach: lol
den_lodi_1: lol teach
den_lodi_1: ha ha
Buddhist Yogini: What guarantee do I have that you're telling the truth, then?
Betalyn: math is a miracle a created truth
Buddhist Yogini: How can you truly state something that you have no grasp of?
Luther007: buddhist>I have little reason to believe they are lying
Buddhist Yogini: You can name a statistic, but you can't tell me how the statistic was generated?
Luther007: these are not "creationists"
trees171: Pro 18:2 A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself.
Betalyn: its not natural cause natural has no brain
Buddhist Yogini: You can't tell me how you arrived at your conclusion?
Luther007: buddhist>I could od it
Luther007: if I wanted to work out every problem
Buddhist Yogini: You expect me to just assume that any statistic you conjure up in your head is reliable?
Buddhist Yogini: LOL
whisperinthewind_1: hi distant welcome
Buddhist Yogini: Go ahead.
den_lodi_1: amen Trees amen
Buddhist Yogini: Show me how you got your number.
Buddhist Yogini: Give me a basic run-down.
Luther007: buddhist>its not my statistic
Buddhist Yogini: Show me the method.
Buddhist Yogini: Then tell me why you believe it.
Buddhist Yogini: What convinced you to believe it?
whisperinthewind_1: hi right side
Luther007: this is a tremendous red herring
Burning Lamp: \0/
Buddhist Yogini: Did you even check the method?
Buddhist Yogini: What is the method?
den_lodi_1: Luther...you are being played....
Betalyn: luther leave him alone
Buddhist Yogini: It's a red-herring to ask you what your evidence is based on?
trees171: LUTHER..Pro 23:9 Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words.
Buddhist Yogini: Gosh.
Luther007: buddhist>the ratio of electrons is a common number
Betalyn: he cant learn
Luther007: if you doubt it I think you have bigger issues than atheism
den_lodi_1: yeah "ratio" being the key word
Buddhist Yogini: I wonder if I can make up figures, and then accuse people of throwing out red-herrings once I'm challenged on them.
whisperinthewind_1: hiya angie
Buddhist Yogini: That would make my life a lot easier, wouldn't it?
angie_468: hi everyone
right_side_1_1: hey whisper
Luther007: buddhist>wow...yeah, I agree with den...
Betalyn: hello angie
LoriCanada16: Burning get it ready
whisperinthewind_1: lol
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, I know all about electrons. What I want to know, however, is how you generated the fact that the arrangement of the universe is as likely to occur by chance as the lottery being won 50 times in succession.
Buddhist Yogini: It seems you can't do that.
LoriCanada16: Burning lol
Luther007: buddhist>ITS AN ANALOGY...the universe is much less likely than several lotteries
Buddhist Yogini: It's a bad analogy if it's not a fact.
LoriCanada16: yes
Betalyn: lori was born on a glacier
Luther007: buddhist>analogies are not facts
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, prove that the universe is less likely than several lotteries.
Luther007: they are examples
Buddhist Yogini: Stop darting around the issue.
LoriCanada16: Bet noooooo lol
whisperinthewind_1: hiya granola
Betalyn: thats why she can fish in the frozen north
whisperinthewind_1: wb angie
Buddhist Yogini: Analogies aren't facts? So they have no bearing on this conversation. I like to deal in facts, and factual examples. If you can't manage them, don't include them.
LoriCanada16: Burning as the world gets worse..the church is going to get stronger though
Buddhist Yogini: Now prove the universe is much less likely than several lotteries.
Buddhist Yogini: I'm waiting.
Betalyn: she must be an eskimo
LoriCanada16: Burning none of my clients have a job lol\
Betalyn: brrr
den_lodi_1: lol iroL
pastor_teach: if you follow buddism you cannot deal in facts ..you deal in subjection .........only ..
whisperinthewind_1: hiya dusty
Buddhist Yogini: I've been waiting for you to prove this claim for 10 minutes. It would make both of our lives easier if you just said "here's my proof that the universe is less likely than multiple lottery wins..."
pastor_teach: as an offshoot of hinduism
Buddhist Yogini: Why can't you just do that? Let's not beat around the bush.
den_lodi_1: PT this person isnt a buddist
Betalyn: just show me some fossil EVIDENCE buddie boy
pastor_teach: what is he then
Buddhist Yogini: Pastor, Buddhism is not an offshoot of Hinduism.
pastor_teach: or are we talking evolution
whisperinthewind_1: wb flying
den_lodi_1: i dont think he knows pt
pastor_teach: yes it is
Buddhist Yogini: They share similarities but they are not the same.
Luther007: buddhist>the chance of winning a lottery in which 49 numbers are played and you draw 6 of 6 numbers is 1 in 13983816.00
LoriCanada16: Burnng is a "sent one"
Buddhist Yogini: They are both Dharmic religions from the same region.
Betalyn: teach, well he hasnt EVOLVED to our level
LoriCanada16: oops not Burning...Bhudist lol
Betalyn: haha
Luther007: now times that by 50
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, now explain how the chances of the universe are less than that.
den_lodi_1: hey luther, PT got ya offa da hook, runnnnnnnn lol
pastor_teach: founded in nepal as a reformation of hinduism
Betalyn: comes back to bite his b---
Luther007: buddhist>the number 1:10(37) is a lot larger
LoriCanada16: Burning the Swat Team knows me lol
angie_468: LOL
Luther007: by itself
Luther007: not to mention all the other probabilites of fine tuning
Luther007: put together
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, I know how large 1:10(37) is. Now explain how the universe is equal or less likely than this.
LoriCanada16: <--opn a first name basis with undercover cops lol
whisperinthewind_1: lol lori
Luther007: buddhist>well, you see one number is smaller than the other
Buddhist Yogini: And explain how you calculated the likelihood of the universe existing in terms of probability.
Luther007: this means one has a greater likelihood than the other
den_lodi_1: i was also iroL...but on another level lol har har har
nick_at_nite_1: buddhist did you just walk on the planet. do you really think those calculations havent been made long before you were even thought of in Gods mind?
LoriCanada16: the Swat Teqam brings me coffee lol
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, are you planning on answering the question any time soon?
Luther007: buddhist>rofl
LoriCanada16: Ned me too..once
nick_at_nite_1: where do these pot smokers come from and why are they here? Heheheh
Buddhist Yogini: I want to know how you can compare a lottery number chance to the chances of the universe existing.
den_lodi_1: he he iroL
Buddhist Yogini: You haven't shown how you calculated the probabilites of the universe existing.
Luther007: buddhist>both are stated in probabilities, you can compare probabilites
Buddhist Yogini: And I'm starting to think that you're not going to.
Betalyn: lori can pray and call the cops!!!!!!!!
Betalyn: both
LoriCanada16: Burning the undercover cops asked to buy some crack from me once lol
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, how did you get the probability for the universe existing as it does?
LoriCanada16: Bet yup
whisperinthewind_1: lol
Buddhist Yogini: Just answer me that.
Luther007: buddhist>again, I dont have to do everything, in order to use others arguments
whisperinthewind_1: burning we have a hand up okay
Buddhist Yogini: I can understand calculating the probabilites of winning the lottery X amount of times. But show me how you worked out the probabilities of the universe existing.
LoriCanada16: Bet some of those cops are pretty darn hot
Luther007: buddhist>have you ever excavated at the city of UR?
trees171: YOU KNOW WHAT, I AM A FOOL FOR EVEN READING THE TEXT OF THE 2 INVOLVED IN THIS MOCKERY
Luther007: buddhist>answer please
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, so you don't understand a person's argument, but you'll use it anyway?
whisperinthewind_1: ty burning
pastor_teach: lol trees
LoriCanada16:
den_lodi_1: ruh?...the Lord tole you people were gonna OD?..yikes...that is skeery talk
pastor_teach: luther just what are you 2 arguing ??
LoriCanada16: Burning my brother is a finish carpenter...my grandfather was a carpenter too
Luther007: buddhist>ever excavated the city of Ur?
LoriCanada16: brother in law
Buddhist Yogini: If I was going to say "The universe has X likelihood of existing", I would at least figure out how X was arrived at.
Luther007: do you know it exists?
Buddhist Yogini: Anything else would be entirely sloppy.
Luther007: can you say it exists
nick_at_nite_1: Luther , Buddhist isnt worth it
Buddhist Yogini: Luther, I don't care about Ur.
LoriCanada16: lol
trees171: P/TEACH ITS BEEN OVER 1 HOUR
Buddhist Yogini: Maybe Ur doesn't exist. Who cares. We're talking about the universe.
pastor_teach: what was the subject
Burning Lamp: ok whisper
LoriCanada16: Burning my brother in law is a finish carpenter...my grandfather was a carpenter too
den_lodi_1: welp PT, it wasnt tongues bro
Betalyn: buddah is one f those cave men lol
Buddhist Yogini: Maybe Ur never existed. I'm not an archaeologist, it's not something I care about.
pastor_teach: WOW den how unusual
LoriCanada16: Bet Biddist is a "sent one"
LoriCanada16: Buddist
Buddhist Yogini: I'm only interested in how you're generating your statistics, and you've been avoiding that for 20 minutes.
trees171: LUTHER NOW YOU SPEAKING WISDOM
Burning Lamp: lori what u think i mi8ght move top canada wioth u
den_lodi_1: iroL...buddist is just one of his many nics....
Burning Lamp: is there work
LoriCanada16: Burnng yikes lol
whisperinthewind_1: wb malkahhhhh
Buddhist Yogini: Just admit that you used a statistic that you didn't understand. Or at least show me how the statistic was generated, so I can puzzle it out myself.
Betalyn: sent one who his daddy? lori?
whisperinthewind_1: luther put him on iggy
Betalyn: lol
LoriCanada16: Bet the debil
whisperinthewind_1: hiya grampsss
Betalyn: ah yes
LoriCanada16: Buring in Alberta there is lots of work
gramps141: heyyyy whisper
LoriCanada16: hi gramps
gramps141: heyyyy lori
LoriCanada16: gramsp
Betalyn: gramps, repent
Betalyn: quick
pastor_teach: that burning is the skirt you are wearing LOLOL
pastor_teach: kidding
Buddhist Yogini: I'm not about to swallow an argument of the universe being created based on such sloppy reasoning. Luther is trying to tell me the universe has a very low probability of coming into existence without God's intervention. But he's rather cowardly dodging any explanation of how he reached this conclusion. It's very frustrating for a logical debater like me.
gramps141: gbu betalyn
trees171: LUTHER TY
LoriCanada16: pastor you getting rain?
Betalyn: ahumph
nick_at_nite_1: Burning it was describing those who looked to the letter of the law to give them redemption
pastor_teach: rain and some snow flakes
Buddhist Yogini: I think if I used that one on a philosophy paper in college I'd be laughed out of the department.
LoriCanada16: pastor here too
benyonah1_1: had a full belly
Buddhist Yogini: Normally in philosophy classes you have to prove what you say.
whisperinthewind_1: hiya doulos
nick_at_nite_1: it isnt about trickery, its about Green Prayer cloths that liars sell
Buddhist Yogini: It's part and parcel with the whole subject.
Betalyn: oh nick click
pastor_teach: philosophy is just that and BIBLE is BIBLE a fact BIBLE wins
LoriCanada16: <--has a blue prayer cloth
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Buddhist Yogini: Pastor_Teach, I don't think the Bible is fact.
Betalyn: we have one with tassles
nick_at_nite_1: has Christ and knees
pastor_teach: lori i thought i sent you a green one what yo tie die it ???lol
LoriCanada16: Bet I got one with sparkles on it
pastor_teach: i do
pastor_teach: you lose
Betalyn: i dont know if i6ts like a prayer cloth
gramps141: a new nature huh lamp
LoriCanada16: pastor yes lol
benyonah1_1: <<Betalyn: whooo hooo lori
Buddhist Yogini: I guess Luther gave up on trying to prove a flawed point. That young man certainly painted himself into a corner with his poor debate form.
LoriCanada16: burning amen
trees171: BENNNNNN I WANT YOURS
nick_at_nite_1: prayer cloth heaven, down stairs please
Burning Lamp: aman lori
LoriCanada16: Buddhist lol..youa re a piece of work
LoriCanada16: Nick Paul sent out prayer cloths
Betalyn: thank God for revelaing himself to me
Buddhist Yogini: I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing, Lori.
gramps141:
Buddhist Yogini: But at least I can turn my attention towards other people now.
Betalyn: each can say thT WHO CAN
LoriCanada16: beny I have a beautiful talit..its powerful when I get under it
nick_at_nite_1: I cant believe im hearing this
Betalyn: that
Buddhist Yogini: I had tunnel-vision on Luther for the last half-hour.
Buddhist Yogini: To the neglect of others trying to talk to me.
whisperinthewind_1: hey johnny
Betalyn: they sent pauls hankies around
JohnnyReb7: greetings
nick_at_nite_1: might as well worship Mary
Betalyn: yrs he colloected money too
whisperinthewind_1: Did you bring dinner johnny
Betalyn: collected
whisperinthewind_1: yes malkah
LoriCanada16: nick no one worships prayer cloths...we worship Jesus
Betalyn: from all of them, later
JohnnyReb7: you hungry whisper?
LoriCanada16: Bet he musta been a liar then
Buddhist Yogini: Why would anyone worship a prayer-cloth?
trees171: Psa 42:1 As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God.
JohnnyReb7: I have to go grill shortly
LoriCanada16: Buddhist no one does
Betalyn: well im going awhile to do dishes etc
whisperinthewind_1: lol
Betalyn: bl
nick_at_nite_1: <Buddhist Yogini: That's good. I'd worry for anyone who does.
trees171: Psa 42:2 My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?
Buddhist Yogini: Maybe Betalyn is gonna go do some dish-cloth worshippin' now.
whisperinthewind_1: hi cassie
JohnnyReb7: bbl
LoriCanada16: Buddhist so would I...
whisperinthewind_1: Im a shy one
Buddhist Yogini: In fact I worry for anyone who worships, period.
benyonah1_1: we never hear betalyn
LoriCanada16: Buddhist you worship
whisperinthewind_1: wb zella
trees171: Psa 22:3 But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.
Buddhist Yogini: I don't worship anything really. Except perhaps an ex lover or two.
whisperinthewind_1: lol
whisperinthewind_1: oh I did that
zella_2: hi malkah....how is mom today...I heard about drug abuse and death here with fentenyl??
whisperinthewind_1: I handed 15 of them out
zella_2: for pain>?
whisperinthewind_1: lol
Burning Lamp: well i had my full say today, very unusual in kick back...now lets not set the alarm clocks lori...lets have fun
LoriCanada16: Buddhist you worship your theories
whisperinthewind_1: 15 out in 5 mins
zella_2: druggies
zella_2: yes, that's it
Burning Lamp: \0/ woooo whoo
zella_2: are they helping?
Buddhist Yogini: I don't worship my theories. I have no prayer to them, no congregation, no mass said. I just use them. Using a theory is different to worshipping one.
zella_2: never heard of that
LoriCanada16: Burning amen
zella_2: well, druggies are selling them...people dying
zella_2: hi est
trees171: HIII ESTERO
zella_2: in mouth
Estero777: MALKAH! Your email !
whisperinthewind_1: ph ptl you are here estero
whisperinthewind_1: lol
Estero777: you nut LOL
Buddhist Yogini: I'm fickle with my theories, entirely. They're like pieces of art. You wouldn't want to become too associated with a single piece because it would lead to revulsion.
Estero777: I'm waiting to read this thing about a new virus
LoriCanada16: Buddhist you dont have to pray or say mass to worship something you just have to elevate it
Estero777: and start swatting at the bug you stinker!
Estero777: grrrrr
zella_2: send to me
Estero777: brat!
trees171: MALKAH I DONT GET NO MORE EMAILS FROM YOU
whisperinthewind_1: hiya dixie
Buddhist Yogini: I don't think elevation is the same as worshipping. For example, I elevate my family in priority above stranges. It doesn't mean I worship them. Large difference.
trees171: NOOO
dixie_darlin_43: loriiiiiii hi
Estero777: out of the corner of my eye..it looked real!
dixie_darlin_43: hi whisperin
LoriCanada16: dixie!!!
Buddhist Yogini: To worship something is to bow down to it, to hold it as superior.
trees171: OK
dixie_darlin_43: how are ya girl?
nick_at_nite_1: it is not the lessons of life that saves us Buddhist dude, even Buddhism tells you that.
LoriCanada16: Buddhist exactly
trees171: OK
trees171: OK
Estero777: oh..hi everyone lol
LoriCanada16: dixie I am good as can be..how about you?
benyonah1_1: yeah, malkah, some of us USED to get some funny emails
nick_at_nite_1: It is not the lessons of Life that saves us, it is the Life of Christ that saves us.
Estero777: no...I reached up....didn't actually hit the screen
dixie_darlin_43: I am wonderfull just got back from a 3 week vacation life is good
Estero777: took me a second to realize what you did you ..!
benyonah1_1: I still have some filed away
LoriCanada16: dixie awesome..I am just starting 6 days vacation
nick_at_nite_1: Buddhist dude doesnt know Buddhism
dixie_darlin_43: very cool
LoriCanada16: dixie any romance?
whisperinthewind_1: hiya fish
dixie_darlin_43: lol
nick_at_nite_1: Absolute truths dont save us, they set us free. it is the Person of Christ who saves us , He "IS" the Truth
Buddhist Yogini: Nick, Buddhism doesn't have a concept of salvation. And I know Buddhism just fine.
dixie_darlin_43:
Burning Lamp: oops was that estro the lovable brat came in room about 5 mins ago....gives her hug and puts a choc. bar in her hand
dixie_darlin_43: I did spend time in arizona yes
LoriCanada16: dixie give me all the dirt girl lol
dixie_darlin_43: LOL
nick_at_nite_1: Buddhist i dont believe you do at all
whisperinthewind_1: hi broeske
Estero777: Lamp...lol it'll take more than a chocolate bar to tame me!
LoriCanada16: dixie with the rabbit?
benyonah1_1: nope
dixie_darlin_43: uh huh
Buddhist Yogini: I don't really care, to be quite frank.
Burning Lamp: aw ha
broeske_Holland: hi whisper
LoriCanada16: dixie how did it go?
trees171: oops sorry malkah
whisperinthewind_1: hi ya zax
trees171: ok
trees171: ok
zella_2: soooo glad to hear something is helping mom for pain, malkah
nick_at_nite_1: putting a fringe on a garment to remember Gods laws, is not a prayer cloth folks
Malkah: LadyMalkah@optonline.net
nick_at_nite_1: just talking here. just saying
trees171: broeske is that a dutch name??
whisperinthewind_1: wb silence
LoriCanada16: ok..I need to go now
zella_2: wow, glad it's helping
broeske_Holland: yep trees
whisperinthewind_1: bye lori blessings
Burning Lamp: gets out my box of choc...trys divede up...one for lori and one for estro
LoriCanada16: bye whisper
LoriCanada16: Burning thanks..and night
Buddhist Yogini: Prayer cloths, lol.
trees171: thought so what part of holland are you??
LoriCanada16: Malkah I gotta go watch Survivor
Buddhist Yogini: The idea makes me laugh.
broeske_Holland: south
Burning Lamp: u going sleep lori
Estero777: It's on wednesday there?
broeske_Holland: and you?
zella_2: why the heck can't I copy your addy, malkah?
Estero777: hmm thursday here
Estero777: wot?
nick_at_nite_1: getting on our knees in Prayer because Christs is in us..........is always the goal
Estero777: 10 days
Estero777: yepper
Estero777: woohoo
benyonah1_1: I can understand not wanting to miss "24", but Survivor?
zella_2: got it
LoriCanada16: Burning nope...gonna watch survivor athen spend some time with the Lord
trees171: trying to remember where north is
Burning Lamp: o ok gbu ...
trees171: amsterdam is south eh??
broeske_Holland: up trees lol,
zella_2: cause u send what?
pastor_teach: hey buddi ......if buddism was not originally from hinduism how come it has re-incarnation ....that originated from hinudism?
LoriCanada16: trees my memory is bad..who else died right after Bonnie?
whisperinthewind_1: wb expert
Estero777: Lionessof Judah
Estero777: lori
trees171: sandie loti
xpert1_7: tx
LoriCanada16: right
LoriCanada16: thanks
doulos_1: Buddist, I find it hard to believe you bested Luther in a discussion.
zella_2: malkah, what u send? Missed that word
broeske_Holland: a'dam is more to the west
xpert1_7: whisper
LoriCanada16: ok,.,,night
zella_2: funny
zella_2: ok
Buddhist Yogini: Reincarnation is in just about every Asian religion. It was present in Hinduism, Tantra, Shivaism, Bon, Mongolian religion, Tungus shamanism, Shinto and Taoism. So it's silly to say it came from Hinduism.
trees171: broeske are you near , um i cant think
Buddhist Yogini: Buddhism is radically different to Hinduism. They just originated in the same region, and Buddha used and adapted Dharmic concepts and Hindu vocabulary. Hinduism is about worshipping gods, Buddhism isn't.
broeske_Holland: you know eindhoven?
trees171: yes
Estero777: Buddhist why are you attempting to teach that junk in here?
broeske_Holland: thats my place
Buddhist Yogini: Doulos, he started crumbling when he made excuses for not proving points.
trees171: i have a niece called femke and aafke
nick_at_nite_1: doulos im sorry to hear you say that Buddhist even had a discussion. seems your stripes are showing. you hate Christ
pastor_teach: BUT buddi ..hinduism was the first and others are offshoots of that ..the 4 major religions of the world are Judiasm .....then Christianty ...with off shoots Hinudism to Buddism and off shoots off them ......
broeske_Holland: frisian names
nick_at_nite_1: this anti Christ stuff really is sickening
trees171: my sister lives in valkenswaard
Buddhist Yogini: Estero, A) It's no more 'junk' than what you believe. B) I'm not "teaching", I'm replying to one of what your dear Christian friends said to me. C) If you want to get on my case for the subject, try telling your fellow Christians not to ask me questions about it. Okay?
broeske_Holland: thats close to me
nick_at_nite_1: The Truth of Christ is all that matters. we are doomed with out it
broeske_Holland: about 10 milies
whisperinthewind_1: hi 5 grace
trees171: nice place
Estero777: Buddhist..yu're a rather bossy thing....when I got here you were telling frank to be quiet
5_grace_1: hi
Estero777: malk
trees171: beutiful actualy
whisperinthewind_1: wb granola
doulos_1: nick I have no idea what you are talking about and I doubt if you do either.
nick_at_nite_1: Buddhist you are no victim. you're a bully
broeske_Holland: good nightlife in valkenswaard
xpert1_7: Buddhism is on the ditch, never mind it
xpert1_7: simple
Estero777: hi Jolly
whisperinthewind_1: I didnt know what to do with him estero
doulos_1: Hi Malkah
whisperinthewind_1: lol
Jolly J: hello Estero
whisperinthewind_1: hiya jolly
Estero777: whisper with who..the buddha belly there?
whisperinthewind_1: wb den
whisperinthewind_1: yeah him
Buddhist Yogini: Pastor Teach, Hinduism is pretty ancient, yeah, but it's difficult to say Buddhism is an offshoot. It's too different. It shares similarities, but Hindus starkly disagree with Buddhist teachings.
trees171: broeske i dont know that , never saw the night life
Estero777: I knwo what to do with him
Estero777: hi den
den_lodi_1: thanx whisper
Jolly J: hello Whispering
whisperinthewind_1: he is not listening to anything
den_lodi_1: hi estero
Buddhist Yogini: The real connection between them is yoga.
xpert1_7: is jewish not buddhist
broeske_Holland: you can believe me lol
denani: you speek e
xpert1_7: quit it Malkah
den_lodi_1: I prefer yogi over yoga
trees171: esteo he has been going on for over a hour
whisperinthewind_1: hi denani
xpert1_7: lol
Estero777: trees really?
whisperinthewind_1: hi bar
Jolly J: (((((((((Den))))))))))
nick_at_nite_1: doulos I know exactly what im talking about. you just said Buddhism bested Luther, it wasnt a contest to begin with,and you seem quite happy that Christ was bested in the topic. God is God and you are not and it pisses your kind off
Buddhist Yogini: Yogi means a male practitioner of yoga. You like male practitioners, Den?
Estero777: Buddhist...stop
broeske_Holland: where are you Trees?
trees171: yes estero and i am nuts for being here
den_lodi_1: estero..it is ratio, contrite etc
whisperinthewind_1: wb distance
nick_at_nite_1: <Buddhist Yogini: Hmm?
Estero777: den ah..so he's on a buddha kick now?
xpert1_7: yogi is a practitioner of YOGA
xpert1_7: so there
trees171: broeske i am in australia
Buddhist Yogini: Yes Expert. I love the word personally.
whisperinthewind_1: wb toots
den_lodi_1: tee hee estero...he is persistant
nick_at_nite_1: Yogi is a bear Expert LOL
Buddhist Yogini: The female word is different through.
right_side_1_1: i thought yogi was a bear with a buddy named boo boo
Estero777: den I dotted at least three of his nicks earlier
broeske_Holland: aussie! my girlfriend is kiwi
Buddhist Yogini: Three of *my* nicks?
Estero777: contrite
Estero777: ratio
Estero777: etc
whisperinthewind_1: we had pastor stinky head in here
den_lodi_1: lol nick
Estero777: Bruce!
doulos_1: Nick maybe you should read again with an understanding of the English language.
cheddarToots: crud i cant get rid of this stupid ninja crud.... even though i did what u all told me
trees171: o i like the kiwi,s
whisperinthewind_1: hiya zittie
Zittie: Hi Vivian
nick_at_nite_1: doulos oh i understand
cheddarToots: die ninjas die
Zittie: can't stay
cheddarToots: lol
Estero777: end war is him too
whisperinthewind_1: hi thehumble
broeske_Holland: me too
broeske_Holland: lol
thehumblewun: Hello everyone I am a Muslim but I have a question about the Christian view on this
den_lodi_1: i was speaking of yogi and boo boo
Estero777: Auto host is him too
xpert1_7: Ninja crud??
trees171:
right_side_1_1: Stary how you been
cheddarToots: ya ninja crap
Estero777: Tim!
Estero777: hiya
whisperinthewind_1: wb jolly
cheddarToots: the PAL TALK AD
zella_2: WOW, nick, you hafta come out of your shell!!
nick_at_nite_1: zella i dont do Anti Christ
pastor_teach: doulos i thought you said you found it surprising that buddist actually stumped luthor as in ..i don;t beleive it happened statement ?????
thehumblewun: what does Christianity say about those that are not Christian
Buddhist Yogini: Yogi to me means a yogini (hence my name.)(
xpert1_7: Ninja turtles is the best of it
cheddarToots: what good is palltalk with this FREAKING AD
thehumblewun: do they go to heaven or hell?
Buddhist Yogini: I love yoga. I practice it every day.
cheddarToots: oh go away xpert
pastor_teach: HEll
cheddarToots: this sux
nick_at_nite_1: Zella ive seen people die in their mess because of people liek doulos and Buddhist dude
right_side_1_1: Stary! been workin long hours is all
doulos_1: doulos_1: Buddist, I find it hard to believe you bested Luther in a discussion.
thehumblewun: can you show me the verse
trees171: broeske are you a christian??
nick_at_nite_1: doulos re reqd my comment. i stand by it
Estero777: right side......the weekend is almost here!
Estero777: I have ten days off....LOL muhahahaha
doulos_1: Nick Can you read that?
nick_at_nite_1: doulos you are Anti Christ
benyonah1_1: thehumble, the Bible says that Jesus is the way the truth and the life, NO ONE goes to the Father but through Him
thehumblewun: sure
Estero777: nick.....doulos is antiChrist?
pastor_teach: nick hate to say it but doulos did not say what yu claim
zella_2: you were extremely rude, nick
benyonah1_1: and in my book, that settles it
broeske_Holland: yes off course, here in the south most are catholics
thehumblewun: but can you give me the exact place of the verse
right_side_1_1: cant wait for the weekend but might hafta work hope not
cheddarToots: est i thought u were
den_lodi_1: wow...what's wit da anger in here?
nick_at_nite_1: Estero anti Christ not the
Estero777: Tim I hope not!
Buddhist Yogini: It was pretty easy to beat Luther. *strikes a pose*
doulos_1: doulos_1: Buddist, I find it hard to believe you bested Luther in a discussion.
cheddarToots: i mean ur the mean arse school teacher with a ruler
nick_at_nite_1: Doulos if you meant that sarcastically it doesnt show it in the text
den_lodi_1: not U malkah...malkah from
benyonah1_1: Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
den_lodi_1: yes
right_side_1_1: Stary what kind of laugh was that
benyonah1_1: there is the verse
den_lodi_1: har har har
Estero777: cheddar yes...i'm also the school teacher with the bag of dots
zella_2: nick, why are u saying this about doulos
den_lodi_1: lol PT
Estero777: Tim...lol an ebil one?
whisperinthewind_1: lol
doulos_1: Nick I meantit exactly as I said it.
whisperinthewind_1: hi dey and semper
right_side_1_1: thats what i thought
den_lodi_1:
zella_2: geez, teach, cool it!
den_lodi_1: lol
benyonah1_1: are you practicing tomorrow's sermon.....PASTOR TEACH?
right_side_1_1: no
trees171: yes they coming to take me away ha ha
xpert1_7: he is half nuts
benyonah1_1: Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
doulos_1: doulos_1: Buddist, I find it hard to believe you bested Luther in a discussion.
pastor_teach: malkah .....love ya
xpert1_7: lol
nick_at_nite_1: thehumblewun: can someone show me the verse in the Bible that says non-Christians will go to hell?
benyonah1_1: there is the verse humble
pastor_teach: i did that in one breath
pastor_teach: lol
benyonah1_1: Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
zella_2: nick, you obviously don't know doulos
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trees171: DOULOS LUTHER USED WISDOM . BY NOT ANSWERING HIM ANY MORE AFTER 1 HOUR
Estero777: cheddar is dotted
pastor_teach: well dolous you are anti christ LOLOLOL forget the statment he he
Buddhist Yogini: Luther actually avoided proving what he couldn't prove.
thehumblewun: what about the people before Jesus (peace be upon him)
thehumblewun: what does Christianity say about them?
zella_2: buddhist, meet ignore
Buddhist Yogini: Luther made up a statistic, I asked him to show how he got it, he couldn't, so he gave up.
trees171: BUDHIST HE WAS THE WISER ONE
Buddhist Yogini: Trees, I don't think there's any wisdom in making up erroneous claims about the universe and then making an obvious retreat when a challenge to their authenticity is presented.
whisperinthewind_1: buddhist drop it
benyonah1_1: they looked forward in FAITH, by what they learned from the Torah, and direct revelation from God
doulos_1: Malkah, I figured as much.
Buddhist Yogini: I need some vaseline. My eczema on my leg is flaring up. Be right back!
thehumblewun: do the people before Jesus(Pbuh) go to hell according to CHristianity?
pastor_teach: let me see universe is expanding ...
trees171: BUDDIST THE WORD OGF GOD CALLS YOU A FOOL ... THE ENDDDDDD
whisperinthewind_1: wb greg
den_lodi_1: amen Trees
Greg1958: ty
benyonah1_1: yes, unless they had FAITH that Jesus the Messiah would be their sin bearer
thehumblewun: but they never knew Jesus
Buddhist Yogini: Back.
thehumblewun: and can you show me the verse from the Bible on that
doulos_1: Truth hurts
den_lodi_1: he just uses double talk
Buddhist Yogini: Trees, a lot of religious texts would call you and I both fools. But we tend not to care what things we don't believe in say, do we?
Estero777: pseudo compassion
Buddhist Yogini: *vaselines her legs*
Buddhist Yogini: This is so not good for my summer goddess plans.
whisperinthewind_1: lol
whisperinthewind_1: haha
Estero777: oh yea...right...vaseline'd legs
Estero777: teach lol
trees171: BUDDHIST THIS IS MY LAST RESPONCE TO A FOOL.. IGGIE
benyonah1_1: I cannot pinpoint the verse right now, but there is a verse that indicates that Jesus (Yeshua) went into the holding place to let those held in store know that He came
Buddhist Yogini: Trees, I always think it's a little childish to insult someone. Moreso to do it before an ignore. Why people can't disagree like adults, I don't know.
Estero777: ROFL
Buddhist Yogini: Estero, vaseline is great for legs after shaving them.
thehumblewun: Not even the pastor knows the verse?
Buddhist Yogini: But not the regular kind, the healing cream you can get that has a pump.
whisperinthewind_1: I wish he would had bene listening teach
Estero777: Buddhist...lol....if you say so LOL
whisperinthewind_1: hi bubbly
Estero777: hi bubbly
benyonah1_1: take the mic and ask him, humble
whisperinthewind_1: hiya suz blessings
Buddhist Yogini: I always use vaseline for my eczema.
thehumblewun: I don't have a mic
doulos_1: PT, When you going to stop dropping acid?
bubbly_17: HI Linda wass goin on?
suzanne44: llHello whisper blessings
Malkah: ((((((((((((((((Suz)))))))))))
thehumblewun: appreciate for your effor though
bubbly_17: HI Viv
Estero777: (((suz)))))
Buddhist Yogini: But I only really get eczema because I eat dark-chocolate. I never learn my lesson.
trees171: I CANT BELIEVE WHY I DIDNT PUT BUDHIST ON IGGIE OVER 1 HOUR AGP
trees171: AGO
suzanne44: Shalom Malkah
thehumblewun: I was comparing Islam with Christianity
thehumblewun: thanks
den_lodi_1: Why is it that the ones with all the answers never have a mic?
Buddhist Yogini: They say it flares up with dairy
suzanne44: (((( Estero )))))
Buddhist Yogini: but I find it flares up with regular dark chocolate, which has no milk in it.
suzanne44: Hi Pastor Teach blessings
thehumblewun: thanks for your humble opinion
trees171: HIIIIIII SUZZZ
bubbly_17: Buddhism is a failure of humanity
benyonah1_1: PASTOR TEACH, could you try to answer thehumblewun's question?
pastor_teach: hi suz
Buddhist Yogini: Maybe it's an unidentified chemical.
bubbly_17: another god
Estero777: lol
Buddhist Yogini: Bubbly, I'm a failure of humanity?
bubbly_17: can you read?
pastor_teach: beny the person does not want an answer just an excuse
whisperinthewind_1: sing here comes peter cottontail
Maple1958: ACK Did I hear what I heard
Buddhist Yogini: I can, can you answer questions?
Greg1958: buddhist -- he said "buddism" -- are you buddhism?
benyonah1_1: are you ABSOLUTELY positive?
thehumblewun: what does Christianity say about the people before Jesus (pbuh)? they go to hell or heaven?
whisperinthewind_1: hi ya message
den_lodi_1: Gene Autry wrote that song Whisper
Maple1958: LOL
bubbly_17: Greg dont be co dependent
trees171: PASTOR TEACH HE SAID BEFORE HE IS ON MUTE
suzanne44: Blessing Maple eth
Maple1958: hehe
thehumblewun: I need to see the verse from the Bible
whisperinthewind_1: yes he did den I love it
whisperinthewind_1: lol
suzanne44: arse
Greg1958: if you are buddhism then he was talking about you
suzanne44: it's King James
Maple1958: Suz Blessings eth
benyonah1_1: do you want his blood on YOUR hands?
doulos_1: Hi Mapleeeeeeeee
Buddhist Yogini: Greg, people have been calling me that for the last hour.
suzanne44: it doth worketh for Shakespeare
Greg1958: bubbly -- i was trying to explain what you said
Buddhist Yogini: You should scroll up and see for yourself.
Malkah: tachat
den_lodi_1: my father in law was a good friend of autry...used to sit at ballgames with him
Greg1958: not what he thought you said
Maple1958: humblewun they had to use animal sacrifices
whisperinthewind_1: lol
bubbly_17: Buddhims is another philospophy gone wild
suzanne44: ROFL
bubbly_17: ism
trees171: GHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
whisperinthewind_1: estero do you have a hair ball
Maple1958: Viv if you can speak French it makes Hebrew easier
suzanne44: it's hard Viv
thehumblewun: animal sacrifices?
Buddhist Yogini: Animal sacrifice is awful.
Maple1958: Yes it is
Malkah: yes
Maple1958: French is very gutteral
Buddhist Yogini: I don't think there's ever an excuse for it.
thehumblewun: what is that?
Maple1958: Yup
Malkah: you said it!
Maple1958: French is
den_lodi_1: it is nasal
bubbly_17: <whisperinthewind_1: hi firefly and forever
doulos_1: Hi Suzzz
Maple1958: At least our French is
Malkah: yes you did
suzanne44: hi doulos blessings
Buddhist Yogini: I grew up a vegan.
trees171: DUTCH IS GUTTERAL TO ESTERO
den_lodi_1: yeah like dat
pastor_teach: canadian french is bad
Buddhist Yogini: And I still am.
suzanne44: Hi there den of lodi
whisperinthewind_1: hiya karl
Maple1958: ELLO KARL
Estero777: SHE MADE ME CUSS!
Maple1958: Horse???
pastor_teach: it s not french grench
KARL _11: hi
den_lodi_1: The dutch speak really fast trees
thehumblewun: I guess no one can answer my question
Estero777:
trees171: LOLOLOL
den_lodi_1: hi suzanne
thehumblewun: later
Maple1958: Or my Malk you made viv CUSSS
Maple1958: Tuch
Maple1958: Tush
Estero777: like tushus?
trees171: YES DEN THAT TO
Buddhist Yogini: These darn ads sure are annoying
Estero777: eh?
Estero777: well hello to you too firefly
Estero777: LOLOL
benyonah1_1: humblewun, the animal sacrifices Israel offered were only for the TEMPORARY covering of sin
Maple1958: Buddhist if you work offline you can get rid of them
bubbly_17: beny you bit the hook
right_side_1_1: turn it down firefly
Buddhist Yogini: Champion idea!
suzanne44: aww Firefly
benyonah1_1: Yeshua (Jesus) made the FINAL sacrifice for our intentional sins
Maple1958: Hi forevertua
Estero777: Firefly ok..well when he comes..you can apologize to him
Estero777: no skin off my nose
Estero777:
whisperinthewind_1: hiya jolson
Maple1958: JOLSON!!!!!!
whisperinthewind_1: wb suz
den_lodi_1: xpert
suzanne44: thank you whisper
Maple1958: WB Suz
Estero777: PATTI..how are you?
Estero777: yes you were
whisperinthewind_1: yw
JOLSON: MAPLE!!!!...WHISPER!!!
StixWoman1: hi viv
Maple1958: I wish I could remember his name
trees171: HIII PATTI HOW IS YOUR LUNG ???????????
Maple1958: Do you Viv?
whisperinthewind_1: HI cr roomie
Buddhist Yogini: well my legs are better now. Vaseline saves the day again!
pastor_teach: lol
Maple1958: Hey rleach
StixWoman1: i'm feeling a little better; i go back tomorrow for more xrays to make sure it's inflating back the way it's supposed to be
Maple1958: Firefly it was some guy with an accent
rleach50: hey maps
Maple1958: Schtixyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
bubbly_17: anyway eating animals is not a fau paux in Buddhism btw
pastor_teach: as a buddist you should have meditated away your rash .....buddy]'
StixWoman1: i'm just tired i think more than anything else
suzanne44: let me write some adjectives: miffed, ticked, irritated, angered, huffed up, puffed up, BLOW ME DOWN ?
Maple1958: ACK firefly you meanie
whisperinthewind_1: lol
StixWoman1: maplethhhhhh
CReformed: ya right
Maple1958: LOL
pastor_teach: ok
Maple1958: He did that with dude last night
JOLSON: Won't put Vaseline on my back...don't wanna'.."BACK"-SLIDE!!
bubbly_17: There are many places in the Buddhist scriptures which tell of the Buddha and his monks being offered meat and eating it
trees171: PATTI I HOPE SO,

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